Metro North a gonner?

[easygoing]

jcdf sayibng the wrong thing LOUDER only emphasises your ignorance

You are the one who is ignorant if you have not heard about the massive short fall in government revenue that has been in the News papers, radio, TV non-stop for the past couple of months. Scrapping big projects would help the Government to balance the books and set us up for a rebound. Then maybe in the next boom cycle if the metro passes cost analysis it could be built.
This would be a smart move for the government especially now, given that, that North Dubliner Bertie Ahern is gone, the government could afford to burn his constituency!

No, alonso is correct: the metro needs to be built asap, along with the interconnector. This whole "we've experienced the first recession in years so let's panic and sit on our fat arses and do nothing" philosophy is pathetic and ostrich-like.

Hey - we didn't have the money for the DART did we? But it got done. And a good thing, too.

[Rainman]

jcdf sayibng the wrong thing LOUDER only emphasises your ignorance

You are the one who is ignorant if you have not heard about the massive short fall in government revenue that has been in the News papers, radio, TV non-stop for the past couple of months. Scrapping big projects would help the Government to balance the books and set us up for a rebound. Then maybe in the next boom cycle if the metro passes cost analysis it could be built.
This would be a smart move for the government especially now, given that, that North Dubliner Bertie Ahern is gone, the government could afford to burn his constituency!

No, alonso is correct: the metro needs to be built asap, along with the interconnector. This whole "we've experienced the first recession in years so let's panic and sit on our fat arses and do nothing" philosophy is pathetic and ostrich-like.

Hey - we didn't have the money for the DART did we? But it got done. And a good thing, too.

I agree entirely with you - and as you said the interconnector is just as important as metro. Now is the time to borrow that money and keep people in work and no have them joining the dole queues and at the same time delivering a transport that we so badly need.

[jcdf]

I agree entirely with you - and as you said the interconnector is just as important as metro. Now is the time to borrow that money and keep people in work and no have them joining the dole queues and at the same time delivering a transport that we so badly need.

We do not want to get into the ugly habit of borrowing all the time. As countless countries around the world will testify it is an east habit to get into and can quickly run out of control. We have commitments to the ECB to maintain. Money has to be shaved out of the public service somewhere.

[Rainman]

I agree entirely with you - and as you said the interconnector is just as important as metro. Now is the time to borrow that money and keep people in work and no have them joining the dole queues and at the same time delivering a transport that we so badly need.

We do not want to get into the ugly habit of borrowing all the time. As countless countries around the world will testify it is an east habit to get into and can quickly run out of control. We have commitments to the ECB to maintain. Money has to be shaved out of the public service somewhere.

So when there are thousands of additional workers on the dole at the end of the year and we don't have the money in the exchequer to cover it do we not have to borrow that too??
Better to keep these people working that way there are making a contribution to the economy.

There are plenty of areas where savings could be made for a start lets stop building dual carriage ways to places which for most of the day are empty.

[alonso]

Congestion in the GDA in 2002 cost €2billion per annum. Given trends since, this may be closer to €3 billion by now. We have construction workers being laid off in their thousands. What sort of person can avoid this logic?

[Evestown]

Congestion in the GDA in 2002 cost €2billion per annum. Given trends since, this may be closer to €3 billion by now. We have construction workers being laid off in their thousands. What sort of person can avoid this logic?

Unfortunately, Metro North won't do anything for the congestion - except to eventually increase it as more land is opened up for development.

Logic works both ways - As resources become more scarce projects should be reevaluated to see if they are still worthwhile.

[alonso]

Congestion in the GDA in 2002 cost €2billion per annum. Given trends since, this may be closer to €3 billion by now. We have construction workers being laid off in their thousands. What sort of person can avoid this logic?

Unfortunately, Metro North won't do anything for the congestion - except to eventually increase it as more land is opened up for development.

Logic works both ways - As resources become more scarce projects should be reevaluated to see if they are still worthwhile.

are you seriously trying to say that investment in opublic transport coupled with demand management will not solve congestion. Are you actualy throwing in the towel and saying that it cannot be solved?

[jcdf]

are you seriously trying to say that investment in opublic transport coupled with demand management will not solve congestion. Are you actualy throwing in the towel and saying that it cannot be solved?

No, he is saying recession will solve congestion. If many people lose their jobs, then they will not be on the road to cause congestion.

[color=#FFBF00]Without the Chicken there cannot be an egg[/color]

[Rainman]

Congestion in the GDA in 2002 cost €2billion per annum. Given trends since, this may be closer to €3 billion by now. We have construction workers being laid off in their thousands. What sort of person can avoid this logic?

Unfortunately, Metro North won't do anything for the congestion - except to eventually increase it as more land is opened up for development.

Logic works both ways - As resources become more scarce projects should be reevaluated to see if they are still worthwhile.

are you seriously trying to say that investment in opublic transport coupled with demand management will not solve congestion. Are you actualy throwing in the towel and saying that it cannot be solved?

As all traffic routes into the city above ground are choked at present, the only way to ease the burden on these routes will be a metro system which will cause minimal disruption during construction and when built will make it possible to move over to a system that works properly. In doing so give people a real opportunity to move away from the car into the city and give the buses a real chance to provide a better service so we win on 3 counts.

Sounds logical to me!

[jcdf]

Another crazed rant. Two cost benefit analyses have been done for MN. One by the oireachtas transport committee, and a 2nd by the RPA.
They both established that MN's economic benefit would far outstrip the cost.
MN largely travels through high density city centre to vast development planned for it's northern terminus.
So, what's your point? other than dreamed up nonsense.......

Links Please.

I would be highly sceptical of anything the "oireachtas transport committee" produces. Here is a link that proves my point!