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    [email protected] theObserver@hotmail.com is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by devoutcapitalist View Post
    I'm surprised the 46A hasn't been put out to tender.
    That bus is constantly packed. Must make a constant profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Why would they bother?

    Most of these routes just don't have enough bums on seats to turn a profit
    The tender would be how much the operator is willing to do the route for on the basis of the tender documents. So it will tender x amount to run the service and all revenues will go to the NTA or whomever is running it.
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    [QUOTE=gijoe;11373916]There won't be any hike in fares AFAIK. It will operate on the exact same basis - they just tender to operate the route and meet

    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    There won't be any hike in fares AFAIK. It will operate on the exact same basis - they just tender to operate the route and meet the performance standards.
    It's the long term costs that are the issue, as costs do rise where public services are privatized and tendered to private companies. You are correct that fares are unlikely to rise now but long term they will as they always have done.

    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    I am an ardent critic of most state services , to be blunt I think they are generally between shyte and abysmal ....but i happen to think DB drivers do an excellent job. Management (as always in the state sector) couldn't organise a proverbial piss up ....but the drivers do a good job IMHO


    suppose this was inevitable though , especially after the last strike ....monopolies are too powerful , the days of 1 sector holding an entire city to ransom are over

    Ho Hum
    The days of supposed monopolies holding the city to ransom never actually existed.
    I have no doubt the government will try and make out that this will stop strikes but Tendering/privatization doesn't stop strikes as we have saw from britain and of course luas.

    Quote Originally Posted by devoutcapitalist View Post
    100% of all DB routes should be put out to tender. The private companies would run the services in a more financially efficient manner.
    the Private companies would not and cannot run the routes in a more financially efficient manner, the routes cost what they cost to run and that is it. they also have to make a profit, they are not charities and social services but profit making businesses. for the tax payer and fare payer there will be no cost reductions.

    Quote Originally Posted by sic transit View Post
    Neither. More like the Luas.
    the luas has never been state operated so it's not a valid comparison. + the operator needs to do more work with the gardai to sort out the anti-social issues on the red line. Also there is no evidence that the success of the service is down to it being privately ran, tram systems generally attract users and run well as they are small scale and very very basic.

    Quote Originally Posted by sic transit View Post
    Can't say I'm terribly unhappy about that!
    Assuming he is correct, then you should be unhappy about it. there would have been no grounds to exclude IE from tendering for the operation (not liking them isn't grounds)
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    And yet when the company is faced with insolvency and is a massive loss-maker for our State, everyone will blame Unions and "lazy" workers. It's a pity that our transport infrastructure that should be in the hands of the people will be reduced to an expensive shambles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    With a drastically reduced service in off peak hours and substantially increased fares....

    That is not the point of Dublin Bus!

    It is to provide a relatively cheap and efficient service for commuters to make their way across the City and its environs

    In the past 10 years DB has improved out of recognition to the dire and execrable mess its passengers had to experience for decades beforehand

    Now they finally have it (pretty well) right

    - they want to dispense with it

    For whose benefit we may ask?

    The Commuters

    - or the Private bus companies?
    DB is financially very badly run for the benefit of the unions and management. Varadkar gave it out a bailout in 2012 to stay afloat. Also fares have increased substantially above inflation in the last 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    There won't be any hike in fares AFAIK. It will operate on the exact same basis - they just tender to operate the route and meet the performance standards.
    Here in London the big changes have been in the garages. The private companies have concentrated their businesses into fewer, and much larger garages.

    And they've been very flexible in their employment conditions; there are 'family-friendly' shifts for women; and some drivers, mostly men, only work at evenings and weekends, earning additional payments for their anti-social hours.

    The services, from what I see, are much improved.
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    With the new bus connects plan to completely reorganise Dublin Bus routes from next year, surely that impacts the tendering process.
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    But............but............but Neo-liberalism what about de wuuurkers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    They would run them for profit by driving down wages and undermining working conditions for drivers.
    You mean private companies are in it to make money? *gasp*
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    Quote Originally Posted by integratetransport View Post

    The days of supposed monopolies holding the city to ransom never actually existed.
    I have no doubt the government will try and make out that this will stop strikes but Tendering/privatization doesn't stop strikes as we have saw from britain and of course luas.
    ermmm yes they did (if you want you can google pictures of people being transported in army trucks during bus strikes) .......Luas serves a tiny percentage of the city ....a DB strike causes chaos due to its monopoly and geographical spread (just like the BE strike did in cork and limerick, very recently)

    But i understand union supporters trying to deny reality and the fact they completely overused the nuclear option , far too often .....NBRU and ASTI have much in common .......to the detriment of their members
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