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    Quote Originally Posted by Uganda View Post
    And I would bet that they could supply at least as good a service AND make a decent profit by ridding the transport systems of all the inefficiencies and restrictive practices.
    The service offered by Dublin Bus has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years

    Basically they offering a Social Service to commuters

    The primary motive of Go Ahead is to make a profit

    - not provide a service....

    This is a long term strategic investment by them

    - they know perfectly well that these routes are not particularly profitable or sustainable as stand alone operations

    - their aim is to establish a presence on Dublin bus routes and work it from there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uganda View Post
    And I would bet that they could supply at least as good a service AND make a decent profit by ridding the transport systems of all the inefficiencies and restrictive practices.
    They couldn't rid the transport systems of inefficiencies and restrictive practices, as all companies suffer from those. That is the nature of operating a transport service, what you and i may see as inefficient may actually be ridiculously efficient in terms of insuring the service runs properly.
    All this thing is, is simply a vanity project which has given a different award to justify itself. Dublin bus beat them on price, dublin bus has exceeded every single target set for it.
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    Why are peeps so afraid of competition .

    I would hope this company will see this as an opportunity to generate new business on the back of an improved service .

    Just because the drones in Dub.Bus can't be bothered getting up off their wholes to generate additional business ..dosent mean that somebody else shouldn't have an opportunity to try ?
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    I know what Arriva is like. Everywhere they go, they end up restricting service. Stops in small areas for one or two people will be ignored. This will leave a lot of pensioners stranded.

    Arriva do that everywhere they get a contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodney Polo View Post
    Why are peeps so afraid of competition .

    I would hope this company will see this as an opportunity to generate new business on the back of an improved service .

    Just because the drones in Dub.Bus can't be bothered getting up off their wholes to generate additional business ..dosent mean that somebody else shouldn't have an opportunity to try ?
    there isn't any competition, and there isn't going to be competition. This new operator isn't operating alongside dublin bus but instead of. The national transport authority are setting all the terms of the contract the operator must abide by, just like it did with dublin bus when it got the contract to operate it's routes. essentially go-ahead can't generate any more business then dublin bus as they are going to be told what to implement like dublin bus is currently having done, and dublin bus have exceeded every single target put on it by a country mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by integratetransport View Post
    there isn't any competition, and there isn't going to be competition. This new operator isn't operating alongside dublin bus but instead of. The national transport authority are setting all the terms of the contract the operator must abide by, just like it did with dublin bus when it got the contract to operate it's routes. essentially go-ahead can't generate any more business then dublin bus as they are going to be told what to implement like dublin bus is currently having done, and dublin bus have exceeded every single target put on it by a country mile.
    Which is great we get the exact same service but it costs us less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaded_Estate View Post
    Which is great we get the exact same service but it costs us less.
    Wrong. Dublin bus apparently put in a cheaper bid then go-ahead, but failed on other aspects which are unknown at this stage, and which may remain unknown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    The service offered by Dublin Bus has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years
    ??? "Network Direct" is an ongoing disaster. Fewer routes, northside-southside routes merged into excessively-long routes with degraded reliability especially "bus bunching", fewer corridors served, more routes running in convoluted configurations around estates at the end points, curtailed service any time "anti-social behaviour" occurs, and ever-slower creep through the city centre thanks to absurd projects like the Luas BXD which should have been metro/DART to start with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Basically they offering a Social Service to commuters

    The primary motive of Go Ahead is to make a profit, not provide a service...
    That is Marxist claptrap. Making profit and providing service are not mutually exclusive. Government is only in things like "public" transport (really mass transport ripped out of the private sector's hands by the government) for the sole purpose of control, nothing more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    This is a long term strategic investment by them
    • they know perfectly well that these routes are not particularly profitable or sustainable as stand alone operations
    • their aim is to establish a presence on Dublin bus routes and work it from there
    If they are not "sustainable as stand-alone operations", that is because the government has too many regulations in placeóregulations designed to make it too expensive for the private sector to run and thus have the government run it at a perpetual loss. Most of the bus routes in Dublin started as stand-alone for-profit ventures, and the government did not want them competing with entities such as the DUTC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al. View Post
    ??? "Network Direct" is an ongoing disaster. Fewer routes, northside-southside routes merged into excessively-long routes with degraded reliability especially "bus bunching", fewer corridors served, more routes running in convoluted configurations around estates at the end points, curtailed service any time "anti-social behaviour" occurs, and ever-slower creep through the city centre thanks to absurd projects like the Luas BXD which should have been metro/DART to start with.That is Marxist claptrap. Making profit and providing service are not mutually exclusive. Government is only in things like "public" transport (really mass transport ripped out of the private sector's hands by the government) for the sole purpose of control, nothing more.If they are not "sustainable as stand-alone operations", that is because the government has too many regulations in place—regulations designed to make it too expensive for the private sector to run and thus have the government run it at a perpetual loss. Most of the bus routes in Dublin started as stand-alone for-profit ventures, and the government did not want them competing with entities such as the DUTC.
    Purely as a matter of interest

    - but do you use Dublin Bus to move around the City on a regular basis

    - and if so do you use the routes so affected by this takeover?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesiscorporation View Post
    I know what Arriva is like. Everywhere they go, they end up restricting service. Stops in small areas for one or two people will be ignored. This will leave a lot of pensioners stranded.

    Arriva do that everywhere they get a contract.
    These are defined bus routes in a metropolis and they will have a PSO.
    They don't own anything, just run the service. As for the stranded pensioners well, Go-Ahead haven't met Joe Duffy yet!
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