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Thread: Is it time for a Land bridge / tunnel to the UK

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    a land brodge from, say, Larne to scotland is qute do-able

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    Given that the sea is v deep (>100m) for about a 15km stretch would that pose a difficulty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic_exyouth
    a land brodge from, say, Larne to scotland is qute do-able
    But uneconomical given the amount of economic activity and transportation which actually happens on the northern parts of both land masses. Alot of goods pass through the Republics ports en route to the North and the vast majority of Scotland's goods come up from the English ports. Thus goods would have to go all the way up Britain and all the way back down Ireland - the HSS is already quicker than doing all that lark.

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    A big problem is that infrastructure on the UK side of any tunnel is in a poor state. When the train arrives in Holyhead, its still a long slow journey to any populated place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    A big problem is that infrastructure on the UK side of any tunnel is in a poor state. When the train arrives in Holyhead, its still a long slow journey to any populated place.
    Doubt that would happen again. The Eurostar has now been upgraded to the same speed on the UK side as on the France side with the recent move to St Pancras Train station. Any new tunnel venture would probably have a high speed train built as part of it. The UK already has quite ambitious plans for the upgrading of many tracks to high speed. Of course a high speed track all the way across North Wales would never be economical without a tunnel and onward to Dublin.

    However, one interesting question is the funding of such a venture. A tunnel between for argument's sake Dublin and Holyhead and a train to London would have huge benefits for Dublin. However, the Train would barely have to run once it came out of the Tunnel at Dublin, assuming that it might terminate somwhere like Connolly. Therefore, on the basis of mutual benefit of the venture, would Ireland not have to make a large contribution to the entire cost of the project, that is including a high speed connection from London across to Holyhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    A big problem is that infrastructure on the UK side of any tunnel is in a poor state. When the train arrives in Holyhead, its still a long slow journey to any populated place.
    Well, there is Fuishguard, which is just a little bit away from cardiff, with decent roads (compared to holyhead)

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfás
    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    A big problem is that infrastructure on the UK side of any tunnel is in a poor state. When the train arrives in Holyhead, its still a long slow journey to any populated place.
    Doubt that would happen again. The Eurostar has now been upgraded to the same speed on the UK side as on the France side with the recent move to St Pancras Train station. Any new tunnel venture would probably have a high speed train built as part of it. The UK already has quite ambitious plans for the upgrading of many tracks to high speed. Of course a high speed track all the way across North Wales would never be economical without a tunnel and onward to Dublin.

    However, one interesting question is the funding of such a venture. A tunnel between for argument's sake Dublin and Holyhead and a train to London would have huge benefits for Dublin. However, the Train would barely have to run once it came out of the Tunnel at Dublin, assuming that it might terminate somwhere like Connolly. Therefore, on the basis of mutual benefit of the venture, would Ireland not have to make a large contribution to the entire cost of the project, that is including a high speed connection from London across to Holyhead.
    It took them 10 years to build the channel tunnel link. Maybe in 40 years time they'll have a TGV line to Liverpool. We can think of connecting Dublin to that then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    A big problem is that infrastructure on the UK side of any tunnel is in a poor state. When the train arrives in Holyhead, its still a long slow journey to any populated place.
    Not as bad as here though. last summer it took me 3 and 3/4 hours to do 207 miles from North Yorksire to Holyhead - including awful rain and slow traffic coming over the Pennines. From Dun Laoighre to home - 103 miles - it took me 3 and 3/4 hours - normal irish traffic on N11 and other "National Primary Routes".
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    Its not a bad idea if it were feasable. Just dont let the NRA and the RPA near the damn thing....Luas, M50, kildare route bypass, the new N9 stopping in a field a mile from nowhere with no CPO's to further!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MINISTER
    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    A big problem is that infrastructure on the UK side of any tunnel is in a poor state. When the train arrives in Holyhead, its still a long slow journey to any populated place.
    Not as bad as here though. last summer it took me 3 and 3/4 hours to do 207 miles from North Yorksire to Holyhead - including awful rain and slow traffic coming over the Pennines. From Dun Laoighre to home - 103 miles - it took me 3 and 3/4 hours - normal irish traffic on N11 and other "National Primary Routes".
    Try doing the same journey by train, which is what the tunnel would connect to.

    My Aunt did the jouney a few times as she's afraid of flying. Once it took 14 hours by train to holyhead from London, including 6 changes and 3 buses as the track was 'being repaired' in three different sections.

    Another time she had to get a taxi across one 30 mile 'gap' (section of track closed for repairs) otherwise she would have missed her connecting train.
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