metro west "emerging prefered route"....

[constitutionus]

just got this through my door this morning. what a ************************************g joke. they completely bypass lucan!!

i mean WTF ?

from tallaght to liffey valley the route is practiclly the 76/78a bus route. in fact if all you wanted to do was get to liffey valley from tallaght all youd have to do is stay on the 76 till you get to the coldcut road stop. its practically the back of it. and these idiots look to be digging up the belgard road from tallaght IT all the way past newlands cross to deliver a serice a bus is already covering.

the ONE area inaccessible by pubic transport in dublin mid west is lucan and these muppets, despite originally saying it'd be in the route, have decided to drop it meaning once again if i want to get to esker cemetery from clondalkin its a bus into and out of town

i mean christ its not like the population of the area has exploded or anything.

on the plus side it does link with dublin airport . eventually. but at once or twice a year that aint a service im going to be using. in fact considering the people i'd be going a way with its still easier to take a car to the airport and leave it longterm..

i cant speak for what the route does for people in the north of dublin but this does feck all for me.

[RBinge]

Not being smart or anything, but

1. There was an awful lot of publicity about the two alternate routes last year, in newspapers, online and with meetings.

2. Lucan is getting its own Luas line not much later than Metro West - in fact, there is alternate route consultancy going on at the moment so don't say you haven't been told

3. The 76 is less frequent than a bunch of lap dancing nuns in an Orange Lodge

[tunnel vision]

just got this through my door this morning. what a ************************************g joke. they completely bypass lucan!!

i mean WTF ?

from tallaght to liffey valley the route is practiclly the 76/78a bus route. in fact if all you wanted to do was get to liffey valley from tallaght all youd have to do is stay on the 76 till you get to the coldcut road stop. its practically the back of it. and these idiots look to be digging up the belgard road from tallaght IT all the way past newlands cross to deliver a serice a bus is already covering.

the ONE area inaccessible by pubic transport in dublin mid west is lucan and these muppets, despite originally saying it'd be in the route, have decided to drop it meaning once again if i want to get to esker cemetery from clondalkin its a bus into and out of town

i mean christ its not like the population of the area has exploded or anything.

on the plus side it does link with dublin airport . eventually. but at once or twice a year that aint a service im going to be using. in fact considering the people i'd be going a way with its still easier to take a car to the airport and leave it longterm..

i cant speak for what the route does for people in the north of dublin but this does feck all for me.

The Joke is calling it a Metro as you say just replacing a bus route, it goes around the houses. It will link to Dublin Airport after going around the houses so it will be very slow.
A metro system should go in mainly straight line s, it should be fast enough to attract people out of their cars. Some houses may be in the way, but CPO,s seem to be only used for roads not public transport, so they should be safe.

[Bray Head]

just got this through my door this morning. what a ************************************g joke. they completely bypass lucan!!

It's only been here for the last year or so. Wake up, you do seem to have an internet connection. And in case you hadn't noticed Lucan is going to get its very own lovely Luas line too.

from tallaght to liffey valley the route is practiclly the 76/78a bus route. in fact if all you wanted to do was get to liffey valley from tallaght all youd have to do is stay on the 76 till you get to the coldcut road stop. its practically the back of it. and these idiots look to be digging up the belgard road from tallaght IT all the way past newlands cross to deliver a serice a bus is already covering.

Maybe this is true, I don't take buses in west Dublin very often and choose not to live there. This is probably because the service is slow, infrequent and unreliable. Before the red Luas line you could get a bus from Tallaght to the city centre. In fact you still can. I don't see many people taking it anymore though. The whole point of the metro is that it'll be fast, reliable, comfortable and not stop at traffic lights. Maybe you don't use the airport often, but with >20m passengers every year I suspect quite a lot of your neighbours do.

i cant speak for what the route does for people in the north of dublin but this does feck all for me.

Well most public transport isn't designed for you personally, but even if you don't ever use it you're still going to benefit from less traffic, more business coming to your area and hopefully higher house prices.

So if you think the money would be better spent on an art gallery for Lucan or heliport for Blanchardstown let us know your plans. Otherwise quit whining about good things.

[constitutionus]

Maybe this is true, I don't take buses in west Dublin very often and choose not to live there. This is probably because the service is slow, infrequent and unreliable. Before the red Luas line you could get a bus from Tallaght to the city centre. In fact you still can. I don't see many people taking it anymore though. The whole point of the metro is that it'll be fast, reliable, comfortable and not stop at traffic lights. Maybe you don't use the airport often, but with >20m passengers every year I suspect quite a lot of your neighbours do.

so youve no problem with hundreds of millions of euro being spent on a service that already exists in bus form from liffey valley all the way to tallaght?

the red zone luas (which by the way is half an hour longer than a bus from tallaght to town, you may not see people taking them but it happens ) goes through areas not serviced by other public transport services .at actually ADDs to the conectivity of the local area meaning people dont have to go through the city centre to get to ,say, heuston station etc .
half this proposed metro route does nothing in that regards and bypasses one of the biggest population areas in west dublin. as things stand with this route if you want to get to esker cemetery you have to go into the city centre and get the 66a back out. good to hear about the luas connection though, pity it means it probably wont be built till 2050. the whole point of metro west was to link the west of dublin population centres and connect em with the airport. this aint happening

Well most public transport isn't designed for you personally, but even if you don't ever use it you're still going to benefit from less traffic, more business coming to your area and hopefully higher house prices.

did i say i wanted it to provide for me personally? no. do i expect an alternate to an already availabe service? YES

So if you think the money would be better spent on an art gallery for Lucan or heliport for Blanchardstown let us know your plans. Otherwise quit whining about good things.

well heres an idea. triple the numbers of buses using that rout already and youve saved yourself money,time, and the discomoding of road users who are going to have to use the belgardroad/ newlands cross area when its one big building site . i use the 76 and it already links tallaght to liffey valley to blanchardstown.

the ONLY major populaton centre not being connected in any way is lucan. its a joke.

[MarD]

Metro West - quick access to the airport for the good citizens of Tallaght, Clondalkin and Blanchardstown.
Is that Dublin's most pressing transport problem for which we need a Metro solution?
I wouldn't think so, I can't see it reducing the rush hour traffic on the M50 by one car.
We make a big deal about such lousy infrastructure.

A German asked me last week which tram did he have to take from Stephen's Green to get to Dundrum, I had to laugh.

[droghedasouth]

Metro West - quick access to the airport for the good citizens of Tallaght, Clondalkin and Blanchardstown.
Is that Dublin's most pressing transport problem for which we need a Metro solution?
I wouldn't think so, I can't see it reducing the rush hour traffic on the M50 by one car.
We make a big deal about such lousy infrastructure.

A German asked me last week which tram did he have to take from Stephen's Green to get to Dundrum, I had to laugh.

For the life of me I can't see the point of Metro West - maybe it will make sense in 1000 years when all of Dublin to the east of Ballyfermot is under 10 feet of water, but in the meantime it just seems crazy. An expensive piece of infrastructure linking up low density areas who really have very little interest in one another.

Whey dont they just forget it and just concentrate on getting the Rail Interconnector built which increases capacity on the whole system and sorts out a lot of centre-city problems.

[croppyboy]

For the life of me I can't see the point of Metro West - maybe it will make sense in 1000 years when all of Dublin to the east of Ballyfermot is under 10 feet of water, but in the meantime it just seems crazy. An expensive piece of infrastructure linking up low density areas who really have very little interest in one another.

Employment corridor and community link all down western side city. If you build it they will come.

Whey dont they just forget it and just concentrate on getting the Rail Interconnector built which increases capacity on the whole system and sorts out a lot of centre-city problems.

Without a doubt Interconnector is most important piece of T21. The other projects are important though. But the Inter has to happen.

[alonso]

no end to the daft ignorance here today

MW is a public transit alternative to sittin on the M50 for 2 hours. If people choose to continue to do this thne fck em. As for not serving Lucan.... HOLY CR4P it's going to serve the largest trip generator in Dublin, Liffey Valley, which will double in size and be completely redeveloped into a town centre over the next decade. Research before engaging your keyboard. ANd LUAS to Tallaght is not longer than Bus

[tunnel vision]

no end to the daft ignorance here today

MW is a public transit alternative to sittin on the M50 for 2 hours. If people choose to continue to do this thne fck em. As for not serving Lucan.... HOLY CR4P it's going to serve the largest trip generator in Dublin, Liffey Valley, which will double in size and be completely redeveloped into a town centre over the next decade. Research before engaging your keyboard. ANd LUAS to Tallaght is not longer than Bus

Looking back over the years, if we had kept to the plans in this country, Liffey Valley would not exist, Ronanstown would have a town centre built on an existing railway line going to Heuston and on to the costal line north of Connolly. But then if we did that several people would not be multi millionaires, the Taoiseach would not be explaining “dig outs” and we would have a well laid out mass transit system.

My problem with “Metro West” is that we may be doing the same again. I hear that at a recent presentation by the RPA about their proposed projects when asked about origin/destination demand studies they said that they did not do that, they left that to the local authorities.