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    Ardillaun Ardillaun is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Not at all.

    You should drive at a speed from which you can stop safely in the distance you can see to be clear.

    How is an Engineer at a desk in County Hall supposed to know what the appropriate speed is for a given section of road in sunshine, in rain, in fog, in snow?

    That's not his job.

    It's the driver's job to judge what the safe speed is for the conditions immediately in front of their car.
    A good while ago, there was a thread here posting ridiculous speed limit signs from around the country, i.e. ridiculous in perfect conditions let alone rain etc. I presume any engineer employed by the state has the ability to access Google Street View. Alternatively, she could ask for suggestions to be mailed in regarding particularly dangerous stretches of road that require a lower speed limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardillaun View Post
    A good while ago, there was a thread here posting ridiculous speed limit signs from around the country, i.e. ridiculous in perfect conditions let alone rain etc. I presume any engineer employed by the state has the ability to access Google Street View. Alternatively, she could ask for suggestions to be mailed in regarding particularly dangerous stretches of road that require a lower speed limit.
    We need to get away from the ridiculous idea that an engineer looking at Google Street View should be the arbiter of what the limit should be on a given road, at a given time, in given weather conditions.

    Drivers should be able to figure this out for themselves.

    That's why the correct way to set a speed limit is to identify the speed of 100 cars, travelling on their own, in good weather.

    Rank the speeds 1-100.

    Whatever speed number 85 is doing should be the speed limit.

    When you use that system you get the safest roads.
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    Ardillaun Ardillaun is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    We need to get away from the ridiculous idea that an engineer looking at Google Street View should be the arbiter of what the limit should be on a given road, at a given time, in given weather conditions.

    Drivers should be able to figure this out for themselves.

    That's why the correct way to set a speed limit is to identify the speed of 100 cars, travelling on their own, in good weather.

    Rank the speeds 1-100.

    Whatever speed number 85 is doing should be the speed limit.

    When you use that system you get the safest roads.
    Forget about the weather for a second. There are countless roads in Ireland that cannot be driven safely anywhere near the speed limit posted in PERFECT conditions.

    And go easy on the ‘should’ too. Of course, everybody should be careful but I don’t see how helping them a little bit is such a bad idea. Some drivers don’t figure all this out for themselves, with predictable results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardillaun View Post
    Forget about the weather for a second. There are countless roads in Ireland that cannot be driven safely anywhere near the speed limit posted in PERFECT conditions.
    Anywhere near the General Limit you mean (100k on N roads and 80k on R and L roads).

    Nobody says they should drive at the General Limit.

    The Rules say they should drive at a speed from which they can stop safely in the distance they can see to be clear UP TO the General Limit.



    And go easy on the ‘should’ too. Of course, everybody should be careful but I don’t see how helping them a little bit is such a bad idea. Some drivers don’t figure all this out for themselves, with predictable results.
    If a driver can't figure out whether they are driving at a speed from which they can stop safely in the distance they can see to be clear then they shouldn't be on the road.

    Simple as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    We need to get away from the ridiculous idea that an engineer looking at Google Street View should be the arbiter of what the limit should be on a given road, at a given time, in given weather conditions.

    Drivers should be able to figure this out for themselves.

    That's why the correct way to set a speed limit is to identify the speed of 100 cars, travelling on their own, in good weather.

    Rank the speeds 1-100.

    Whatever speed number 85 is doing should be the speed limit.

    When you use that system you get the safest roads.
    F¨cking ridiculous. Why don't you follow that up with an experiment in which you ask drivers to drink until they feel impaired, and set the alcohol limit from those responses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    We need to get away from the ridiculous idea that an engineer looking at Google Street View should be the arbiter of what the limit should be on a given road, at a given time, in given weather conditions.

    Drivers should be able to figure this out for themselves.

    That's why the correct way to set a speed limit is to identify the speed of 100 cars, travelling on their own, in good weather.

    Rank the speeds 1-100.

    Whatever speed number 85 is doing should be the speed limit.

    When you use that system you get the safest roads.

    Don't be such an idiot, so whatever speed people are doing is the right speed, so a wide road through a housing estate, should have whatever speed 85% of motorists want to do, don't consider, people crossing, schools, children, cyclists, nah f**k it if they think 70 or 80 is ok then let them away at it.


    You googled found this article misunderstood it and tried to pass it off as your own would you ever cop yourself on.
    Who sets speed limits and how are they decided? | The Bellingham Herald
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    Quote Originally Posted by toconn View Post
    Interesting statistic for a country in which large numbers of drivers have never passed a test or even taken proper driving lessons. What I will say is that compared to most European countries ( i drove in the UK for 30 yrs and all around Europe for my job at times ) the Irish are extremely patient and most of the time drive at a reasonable speeds which helps . What I do find amazing is the tolerance shown to the " hatchback heroes " and those that obviously drive unaccompanied without a full license . This would never be tolerated abroad.
    Neither would driving without insurance which is also tolerated here. The high cost of motor insurance is a factor but the small fines handed out by the courts is also a reason the number are so high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyFoley View Post
    F¨cking ridiculous. Why don't you follow that up with an experiment in which you ask drivers to drink until they feel impaired, and set the alcohol limit from those responses?
    Most drivers, the World over, will drive at a safe speed based on the hazards they observe in front of them.

    That's why the first thing a Local Authority is supposed to do if they want to reduce the average speed on a road is introduce obstructions.

    You'll see them on the approach to many towns and villages.

    Psychology, innit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cdebru View Post
    Don't be such an idiot, so whatever speed people are doing is the right speed, so a wide road through a housing estate, should have whatever speed 85% of motorists want to do, don't consider, people crossing, schools, children, cyclists, nah f**k it if they think 70 or 80 is ok then let them away at it.


    You googled found this article misunderstood it and tried to pass it off as your own would you ever cop yourself on.
    Who sets speed limits and how are they decided? | The Bellingham Herald
    On a periodic basis, the Department of Transport issues guidelines to Local Authorities on how to set speed limits.

    The rules are very clear.
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    Especially round Dundalk this New Years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN View Post
    Most drivers, the World over, will drive at a safe speed based on the hazards they observe in front of them.
    They do in their bollix! For example, most people seriously underestimate the distance it would take to come to a stop in an emergency. We're not talking a foot or two here; we're talking 20 or 30 yards.

    More than that, drivers often dont know what hazards lie ahead. There are far more dangers on the road than simply the car ahead.
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