"World Class" Dublin Metro? Read on...

[alonso]

do we need any more proof that FF care not a jot for public transport. Those donkeys are willing to overdesign roads by a factor of 10, with less than 10,000 vehicles on routes designed for up to 90,000, while their great project for the Capital is built to fisher price standard.

They are a complete and utter disgrace. Cullen's legacy to Dublin? under his ministry nothing was delivered at a time of crisis. Will M3 Dempsey rectify this total bullsht? will he fuk.

"Underground stations with bare concrete walls, no canopies over entrances, no escalators from street to concourse levels and fewer ticket machines are among the "value engineering" elements of the planned Dublin metro line linking St Stephen's Green with Swords.

According to documents released belatedly under the Freedom of Information Act, the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) said these "trade-offs" were needed to cut the capital cost of the project to €4.58 billion - an estimate cited in one letter dated July 8th, 2005."

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/irelan ... 05489.html

no fckin escalators? are we cattle?
fewer ticket machines? jaysus we can't be making things easier for people. they might not buy cars then

idiots. total blithering idiots.

also

But the report conceded that an airport-city centre line "has a relatively poor economic performance". This was to be expected as it included "the most expensive part of metro . . . without yet reaching the range of markets" that would be served by extending it to Bray.

Although the government had decided in January 2002 to proceed with a metro linking Swords with Bray, the southern leg of this route - now partly served by the Sandyford Luas line - was not included in its Transport 21 investment programme unveiled in November 2005.

well duh. If you take Dundrum, "Sandyford City", Cherrywood and Bray out of the equaiton as Martin the Magician did with his T21 con job, of course the economic case falls to feckin pieces, especially when you consider the track is already there for much of it and easily segregated.

Genius

[CJH]

do we need any more proof that FF care not a jot for public transport. Those donkeys are blah blah...



According to documents released belatedly under the Freedom of Information Act, the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) said these "trade-offs" were needed to cut the capital cost of the project to €4.58 billion - an estimate cited in one letter dated July 8th, 2005."

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/irelan ... 05489.html

Shouldn't your hysteria be directed at the RPA?

[St Disibod]

Shouldn't your hysteria be directed at the RPA?

Lenihan criticises plethora of State agencies and bodies

The tendency to set up agencies and bodies at one remove from the government is "an abdication of responsibility", Minister for Justice Brian Lenihan said yesterday.

[...]

"That isn't a viable way of running a country. That is not a very fashionable point of view, but we have gone down the road a little too far - I am not talking about the Department of Justice, but right across the range of government business - of setting up agencies and bodies at one remove from the government to whom the government can then abdicate responsibility for dealing with certain matters.

"I subscribe to the old-fashioned point of view that we have a general election. The purpose of it is to create a majority in the Dáil who will then unite around a government and who are then accountable for running the country and the people can get rid of you and replace you with someone else if they don't like how you run the country.

"This tendency to establish a lot of agencies and bodies at one remove from the government is a form of abdication from governmental responsibilities and I don't agree with it," he said.

[alonso]

eh the RPA is directed by the DoT, who are directed by the Minister for transport, and ultimately the Dept of Finance and Cabinet. your reaction is the FF way of governing. If traffic and transport is f888ed blame the agency you set up. If the Health service is buggered (if?), blame the HSE.

The buck stops with the Goverment. Any other misdirection of ire would be stupid. Who runs the country?

[alonso]

ah disi, i knew i could rely on you to pull out a cracking case of FF idiocy and hypocrisy.
good work

[Pauli]

do we need any more proof that FF care not a jot for public transport. Those donkeys are blah blah...



According to documents released belatedly under the Freedom of Information Act, the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) said these "trade-offs" were needed to cut the capital cost of the project to €4.58 billion - an estimate cited in one letter dated July 8th, 2005."

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/irelan ... 05489.html

Shouldn't your hysteria be directed at the RPA?

It is not hysteria, CJH. Alonso, who knows more than most of the people who post here about planning, it making a valid point. Transport policy is a governmental responsibility. Planning in Ireland is corrupt and anarchic. We haven't planned anything properly in decades. Alonso does us a favour by detailing the cluelessness, cretinism and chaos that characterises what passes for transport/planning policy in this blighted republic.

FF have been in power for 17 of the last 20 years.

[CJH]

Shouldn't your hysteria be directed at the RPA?

Lenihan criticises plethora of State agencies and bodies

The tendency to set up agencies and bodies at one remove from the government is "an abdication of responsibility", Minister for Justice Brian Lenihan said yesterday.

[...]

"That isn't a viable way of running a country. That is not a very fashionable point of view, but we have gone down the road a little too far - I am not talking about the Department of Justice, but right across the range of government business - of setting up agencies and bodies at one remove from the government to whom the government can then abdicate responsibility for dealing with certain matters.

"I subscribe to the old-fashioned point of view that we have a general election. The purpose of it is to create a majority in the Dáil who will then unite around a government and who are then accountable for running the country and the people can get rid of you and replace you with someone else if they don't like how you run the country.

"This tendency to establish a lot of agencies and bodies at one remove from the government is a form of abdication from governmental responsibilities and I don't agree with it," he said.

Fair enough, but that's a different argument.

As for the central point, I was in Paris a week or two ago, and used the metro all the time I was there. There were no escalors from the street downwards. There were no canopies over the entrances (who the f*ck cares if there is a canopy over the entrance?? It's not a f*cking hotel). I don't know what 'fewer ticketing machines' entails, but in the stations I was in there were never more than two. The only covering on the walls of the stations was for ads.

It didn't stop Parisiens using the Metro.

[baldur0300]

No CJH's point still stands. Alonzo's post is complete histeria. It is one report made by the RPA that may or may not be implimented. Anyway these measues are very much finishing off features of the stations on the line and will be towards the end of the project. Its not like immediate decisions have been made. These are possible suggestions of how to keep the costs down. Isn't that a good thing? A public body actually considering how to reduce costs and stay within its budget? While the specific features excerpted from the report are not necessarily the best way to move forward, it is good to see that a state body is actually considering how to best spend the taxpayers money and how to reduce the cost to the public purse.

[lostexpectation]

that was at their main stations? cjh

[CJH]

No CJH's point still stands. Alonzo's post is complete histeria. It is one report made by the RPA that may or may not be implimented. Anyway these measues are very much finishing off features of the stations on the line and will be towards the end of the project. Its not like immediate decisions have been made. These are possible suggestions of how to keep the costs down. Isn't that a good thing? A public body actually considering how to reduce costs and stay within its budget? While the specific features excerpted from the report are not necessarily the best way to move forward, it is good to see that a state body is actually considering how to best spend the taxpayers money and how to reduce the cost to the public purse.

I know! Imagine a state body looking to reduce costs! How outrageous! We should follow the USSR's example and put chandeliers in our Metro! The Soviets knew how to balance the books, didn't they??