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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Jack View Post
    Motorway network
    Dublin Airport
    Metro and Dart will be under construction
    Luas extensions
    Better rail services
    Broadband now being upgraded
    Conference centre
    Plenty of commerical capacity to be filled - no need to build more

    We will be far better placed in the coming years than we were when we came out of the 1980s and early-19s when the expansion was so great and so fast that parts of the economy were choked - and everything was thrown into a construction boom at the expense of everything else.
    And how many of the above cater for health and education?
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    Dublin is the heart of the national economy - if it fails, the country fails. That's why so much transport infrastructure is being put in. It is absolutely necessary and in this reagrd we are only now playing catch-up with the rest of Europe, US and Asia. If the Dublin economy doesn't function properly, there won't be much revenue to distribute around the rest of the country.

    Dublin Airport was bursting at the seams 18 months years ago and people were screaming about. You are judging it by today's standards - not the future when it will boom again because it is the main gateway to the country.

    Better rail services than 10 years ago. Even five years ago. Increasing capacity as demand rises will be a much easier proposition in years to come than it was in the mid-90s.

    Broadband upgrade is not too late - it will still be needed in the future. Much of the infrastucture for 100Mb broadband is already in place across State. The likes of Eircom are not utilising it and offering it to customers. UPC is about to.

    Conference centre is needed - it is a key part of the development strategy for Dublin City Council, Dublin Tourism and Bord Failte. It is seen as a major attraction to bring high-spending business visitors to the city and country.

    Should we simply bin everything now that is tainted by FF? Much as I want to see the party kicked into oblivion for what they have done to the country, I have enough cop on to realise that plenty of things they touched will be with us and will serve us long into the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    And how many of the above cater for health and education?
    The problems in health and education are as much down to bad organisation and bad management as they are to lack of resources.

    That can be resolved by a government with some cojones who will not fold the second a vested interest group screams out when reform is proposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Jack View Post
    Dublin is the heart of the national economy - if it fails, the country fails. That's why so much transport infrastructure is being put in. It is absolutely necessary and in this reagrd we are only now playing catch-up with the rest of Europe, US and Asia. If the Dublin economy doesn't function properly, there won't be much revenue to distribute around the rest of the country.

    Dublin Airport was bursting at the seams 18 months years ago and people were screaming about. You are judging it by today's standards - not the future when it will boom again because it is the main gateway to the country.

    Better rail services than 10 years ago. Even five years ago. Increasing capacity as demand rises will be a much easier proposition in years to come than it was in the mid-90s.

    Broadband upgrade is not too late - it will still be needed in the future. Much of the infrastucture for 100Mb broadband is already in place across State. The likes of Eircom are not utilising it and offering it to customers. UPC is about to.

    Conference centre is needed - it is a key part of the development strategy for Dublin City Council, Dublin Tourism and Bord Failte. It is seen as a major attraction to bring high-spending business visitors to the city and country.

    Should we simply bin everything now that is tainted by FF? Much as I want to see the party kicked into oblivion for what they have done to the country, I have enough cop on to realise that plenty of things they touched will be with us and will serve us long into the future.
    Do we have to borrow billions for a bunch of idiotic bureaucrats to blow it on surplus to requirement monuments in some sort of egotistically overconfident mindset anf belief that it will attract a multitude of people to invest?

    If these buildings were out of savings and if we had a high degree of pareto optimum in relation to having an adequate health and education capital system, then yes knock yourself out. The state's duty is to provide education and health for people, leave the inventions, innovations and real wealth creating projects to entrepreneurs using a proper banking system that revolves around savings and investing.

    That conference building cost the state nearly 400 Million Euro, all borrowings. It can never be profitable. Even stretching the multipier to a maximum level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Jack View Post
    The problems in health and education are as much down to bad organisation and bad management as they are to lack of resources.

    That can be resolved by a government with some cojones who will not fold the second a vested interest group screams out when reform is proposed.
    Ireland spends considerably lower than the OECD average on higher education. How's that for a 'smart economy'...?
    Unenthusiastic about any of the buggers.

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    It seems that this Air India deal using T2 is on with Indian press reporting that the deal is done, although this is denied.
    Aer Lingus rule out zero fares in future | Irish Examiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrynorth View Post
    Those People's Republic of Cork passports are not recognised in Dublin, or internationally for that matter. :mrgreen:

    Thank you, these last few days I've been unable to laugh. Go raibh maith agat, Cé nach rud nua an saghas scéal grinn, bhuair mé an taitneamh as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Jack View Post
    Dublin is the heart of the national economy - if it fails, the country fails. That's why so much transport infrastructure is being put in. It is absolutely necessary and in this reagrd we are only now playing catch-up with the rest of Europe, US and Asia. If the Dublin economy doesn't function properly, there won't be much revenue to distribute around the rest of the country.

    Dublin Airport was bursting at the seams 18 months years ago and people were screaming about. You are judging it by today's standards - not the future when it will boom again because it is the main gateway to the country.

    Better rail services than 10 years ago. Even five years ago. Increasing capacity as demand rises will be a much easier proposition in years to come than it was in the mid-90s.

    Broadband upgrade is not too late - it will still be needed in the future. Much of the infrastucture for 100Mb broadband is already in place across State. The likes of Eircom are not utilising it and offering it to customers. UPC is about to.

    Conference centre is needed - it is a key part of the development strategy for Dublin City Council, Dublin Tourism and Bord Failte. It is seen as a major attraction to bring high-spending business visitors to the city and country.

    Should we simply bin everything now that is tainted by FF? Much as I want to see the party kicked into oblivion for what they have done to the country, I have enough cop on to realise that plenty of things they touched will be with us and will serve us long into the future.
    OK, but make sure none of our friends will be tempted to vote for FF. Each one of us has to talk issues around us. Politics.ie is just a springboard to begin to imagine what kind of resistance is out there in the real world.

    Bin FF and the upper snob Greens, keep whatever crumbs of infrastructure FF has been magnanimous enough to bestow to future generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    The state's duty is to provide education and health for people, leave the inventions, innovations and real wealth creating projects to entrepreneurs using a proper banking system that revolves around savings and investing.

    That conference building cost the state nearly 400 Million Euro, all borrowings. It can never be profitable. Even stretching the multipier to a maximum level.

    Yes I agree, but I think the state also needs to ensure good transport infra structure or at least a viable one. Dublin airport was getting beyond a joke last time I was there.

    However when you think about it airport terminals are basically big sheds.Much would be fitted out by those that use the space. 400 million would buy a lot of shed, wonder what the cost is per sq. m?

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    The Indian media denied that Air India would use Dublin.

    You cannot enter Ireland without showing a passport.

    Presumably there will be a transit area at T2 to facilitate transit passengers.

    I have not been to T2 yet so cannot comment on the facilities.

    There has been a lot of moaning about the size of T2 but the problem with past extensions to Dublin airport has been that by the time they were finished they were obsolete. T2 has been built with the future in mind, something that rarely happens with infrastructure builds in Ireland, think M50, etc.

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