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About LinkBacksIsn't that the system that was compromised because of some flaw in the chip's encryption algorithm? Apparently people who wanted to copy it were able to do so too.Originally Posted by dalywise
Regards...jmcc
Isn't that the system that was compromised because of some flaw in the chip's encryption algorithm? Apparently people who wanted to copy it were able to do so too.
Regards...jmcc
They replaced that chip last year with a newer one.
In any case, simply buying software, even if there is a possibility of hack is probably cheaper than endlessly pouring money down our own system which obviously isn't working, even with the level of money which might be lost due to some hacked cards. Such cards already exist in respect of Dublin Bus as was reported not too long ago.
For €51 euros a month my ticket allows me to use metro,trams,busses,urban rail,high speed trains and even intra city ferry services 24/7 in a land area 40milesx40 miles.I haven't had my ticket checked since last October,it feels great to be treated like an adult,no wasting time,no ticket you get fined,caught three times you go to court and most likely jail for a week.
The only thing unique about Dublin is probably being the only west European capital still without a rail/metro link to it's international airport.Ireland really doesn't do integrated services,just vested interests and NIMBYism and short term(read election) planning.
This mindset needs to change,across the board,from transport to how the electorate are served by its elected representives and what the electorate wants for the country rather than the current parish pump mentality.
Testing of new public transport ticket system to start in weeks - The Irish Times - Mon, Mar 08, 2010
testing on the smart cards to start soon. It's been 8 years.
Did it start yet? How did it go?
Is there anyone accountable?
I lived in Singapore for a year in 1997 and they had a common ticketing card which was accepted on bus, MRT and train. They also had a toll booth free system on roads at the time. I cannot actually believe that I cannot use my Dublin bus card to get a train or a non Dublin bus. Sounds like another civil service project, massively over budget and another F**k up.
Don't hate the playa, hate the game (unless they are FF then 10 years service in a penal battalion is acceptable)
Yeh i know some people who got test cards recently and this seems to be the final phase of testing
Article from last week
Dublin's ticketing system due later this year - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 15, 2011THE LONG-awaited integrated ticketing system for Dublin transport should be available by the end of the summer, a conference was told yesterday.
Tim Gaston, director of the integrated ticketing project at the Railway Procurement Agency, said they were in the final stages of the trial of the system, which had worked well to date
It's been a while but London's Oyster card development cost multiples of what the Dublin one cost
And in Melbourne, the attempt at integrated ticketing was a shamblesThe Oyster card system was set up under a [COLOR=#0645ad]Private Finance Initiative (PFI)[/COLOR] contract between TfL and [COLOR=#0645ad]TranSys[/COLOR], a consortium of suppliers which includes [COLOR=#0645ad]EDS[/COLOR] and [COLOR=#0645ad]Cubic Corporation[/COLOR] (who are responsible for the day-to-day management of the system) and [COLOR=#0645ad]Fujitsu[/COLOR] and [COLOR=#0645ad]WS Atkins[/COLOR] (shareholders with no active involvement in running the system).[COLOR=#0645ad][4][/COLOR] The £100 million contract was signed in 1998 and was due to run for a term of 17 years until 2015 at a total cost of £1.1 billion.[COLOR=#0645ad][5][/COLOR] In August 2008, TfL decided to exercise a break option in the contract to terminate the operating agreement in 2010, five years early. The termination of the contract followed a number of technical failures in the system.[COLOR=#0645ad][[/COLOR]
Melbourne's myki integrated ticketing system is a mess -and we need to learn from it - General - AKT
None of the commentators in Ireland who have been complaining about this have ever actually asked why it has taken so long and researched other cities to see how difficult a task this actually is especially given the history of inertia that had to be overcome.
And i'm not even sure HOW long it has taken here. I know it was mentioned in 2000 but when did work commence? It's like blaming engineers for the DART UNderground taking more than 40 years when it was the politicians that kapt abandoning it
Also bear in mind when quoting examples
London - population 8 million
Melbourne 4 million
Singapore 5 million
Oh and if you're interested, Real Time Info was launched on Dublin Bus recently too and will be rolled out in the coming months
Real-time screens for buses in Dublin - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 12, 2011
We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.
I enquired about this to people in several Govt Departments and State Agencies to help me understand the procurement process as a company I represented had a relevant complementary technology. One thing I was told was that the working group did go to Hong Kong, Singapore, London, etc.. as relevant cities as models and in the end decided to not adopt any of those systems and start from scratch - I guess they could learn from inefficiencies in those implementations but I suspect there is also a case for thinking "nobody ever gets fired for choosing IBM or Accenture"!
Well the good thing about systems largely dependent on software in terms of design is that size is less important - if it works for 10 it will work for 1 million - the issue changes from one of technology risk to one of implementation and it is the latter where we seem to struggle more than the former, as, according to the Chinese we are vely good at the software!Also bear in mind when quoting examples
London - population 8 million
Melbourne 4 million
Singapore 5 million
It will be interesting to see the hissy fit the drivers will have when the data from this system starts throwing up stats they don't necessarily want made public!Oh and if you're interested, Real Time Info was launched on Dublin Bus recently too and will be rolled out in the coming months
Real-time screens for buses in Dublin - The Irish Times - Sat, Feb 12, 2011
We are "they"
It has taken RPA 10 years to deliver no integrated ticketing, how will they deliver metro north? That's what you get with a banker headed organisation. It is interesting to note that CIE actually have delivered smart ticketing on dublin bus, makes you think, dosen't it
I had a look at kildarestreet.com and found the following;
Minister Varadkar is the 5th Minister for Transport since the Integrated Ticketing Project was started (not including Pat Carey's short reign).
Mary O'Rourke launched the Integrated Ticketing project for Dublin in May 1999.
Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) took over the project in 2002.
Seamus Brennan, in April 2004, stated that the Integrated Ticketing System (ITS) would be fully operational by 2005.
Martin Cullen said in March 2005 that ITS would be rolled out at the beginning of 2006.
Noel Dempsey, in June 2008, said that ITS would be launched in September 2009 and fully operational one year after that.
We are now well into 2011 and Minister Varadkar has stated that the system will be operational within a year. (last line here; Quinn defends Gilmore decision - The Irish Times - Thu, Mar 10, 2011 )
Perhaps the Minister should ask why previous attempts at estimate a finish date for ITS were so totally wide of the mark.
He risks making a fool of himself as the previous Ministers have.
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