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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky O Donnell View Post
    Gambling and Religion have a hell of a lot in common.

    Isn't Christianity itself selling a lottery ticket to heaven? People turn to the Church in times of desperation in order to save themselves. The Church feeds off people when they are at their most vulnerable, offering salvation, forgiveness and a clear path into the afterlife. You're not in if you can't win! The Church sells a lie in the same way Casino's sell the opportunity of instant wealth.

    I had a Jahovah's witness from Colorado sit beside me on the bus the other day. Boy did he pick the wrong person to start talking about his "Mission" to.
    I'm sure he'd agree, especially if you explained your theory of gambling to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutuplaura View Post
    Inane comment Cruimh. The church, whatever its ills is perfectly entitled to take a moral position on this matter. And of course anyone who's set foot in a large casino will clearly see the difference between the gambling that goes on there and in a bingo hall.
    Gambling - it was losses incurred by gambling on the Stock Market that led to the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity of Refuge selling ground that led to the disclosure of all those bodies .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky O Donnell View Post
    I stopped reading what was a very short article linked in the OP where I got to this pile of manure. He couldn't find data more recent that 15 to 35 years old?



    The Church would do well to keep it's own house in order and stop pretending it has the welfare of the community at heart. Perhaps their main concern is Tipperary is that people will start going there to pray instead of the Church. The Fitzwilliam Casino in Dublin actually used to be a church. I remember Padraig Parkinson once wrote that people pray there now more than ever.
    I cannot see why you would not use the research. Studying the impact of industrialised gambling over a sustained period would be a very valuable piece of research.
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    I hope the RCC wins, and Pyrrhus of Epirus is their general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by femmefatale View Post
    You don't think political decision-makers should ever take into account the interests of society before making important decisions? Or perhaps you don't think there is any such thing as the interest/good of society? Or perhaps you don't think there is such a thing as society?
    Nice try.

    On the contrary, I think the only objective of policymakers should be what is for the good of society (well, I would prefer to cast things in individualist rather than collectivistic terms, but anyway). I think it's good for society if policymakers avoid paternalism in their policies. Otherwise I am happy with non-paternalistic coercive measures and/or paternalistic non-coervice measures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtyisBack View Post
    I cannot see why you would not use the research. Studying the impact of industrialised gambling over a sustained period would be a very valuable piece of research.
    You want to use data gathered from American Society from the 70s to the 90s and apply to Irish Society in 2011?

    Aside from the fact that the data is severely out of date, methods of data collection, research and analysis have changed so much since then to the point where the results of the same research now could/would be completely different.

    Also the report isn't referenced in the article and it claims that there is a link between gambling and increased rape figures. The is nothing more than sensationalist tripe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shutuplaura View Post
    Massive casino developments lead to large scale social issues. They rely on problem gamblers for a massive amount of their income.

    "Thus a problem gambler is much more likely to lose a lot of money on roulette or slot machines, where rounds end quickly and there is a constant temptation to play again or increase bets, as opposed to a state lottery where the gambler must wait until the next drawing to see results."

    Big difference between that and a bingo hall.


    Bingo halls also have slot machines. Why dont they condem bookmakers then ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    I am a secularist and atheist ... but I agree with the opinion in the article. A fortune for some big players .... social misery for others, a moral slum for the majority.
    I am agnostic and I agree too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicky O Donnell View Post
    You want to use data gathered from American Society from the 70s to the 90s and apply to Irish Society in 2011?

    Aside from the fact that the data is severely out of date, methods of data collection, research and analysis have changed so much since then to the point where the results of the same research now could/would be completely different.

    Also the report isn't referenced in the article and it claims that there is a link between gambling and increased rape figures. The is nothing more than sensationalist tripe.
    Hardly severely out of date in terms of the phenomenon it is researching. And again what is so specific about Irish society that renders it different. And how would you know that it is sensationalist apart from perhaps you not agreeing with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    I am agnostic and I agree too.

    Casino games offer far better odds then bingo, slot machines, lotteries and bookies. Especially for skilled players.

    The church as usual are being hyporites, in the US they hold masses in casinos, in Ireland dont condem bookies etc and they raise funds via gambling.

    Why are casinos any worse then bookmakers ?

    When the casino throws a few quid at the church they will support it. The corruption of that stinking church is obscene.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ic-church.html



    Confession box turns horsebox as bookmaker Paddy Power sponsors 'sin bin' in Catholic church

    By Sophie Freeman


    A Catholic church confession box has been sponsored by a bookie.

    Paddy Power, the Irish betting firm, has paid 10,000 in the deal with Our Lady & St Etheldreda Church in Newmarket, Suffolk, after being approached by its fundraising committee.

    Newmarket is widely regarded as the home of British horse-racing.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1R2lyEA6W


    Fr Michael Griffin, Our Lady & St Etheldreda's priest, told The Daily Telegraph: 'It was suggested by a parishoner that we should ask Paddy Power for help because of its horse-racing connections. We were very pleased when they generously agreed.

    'We were happy to put a plaque up on the side of the box, which we refer to as a reconciliation room, and I have mentioned Paddy Power in a sermon.'

    The diocesan spokesman Fr Mark Hackeson added: 'There is nothing morally wrong with gambling unless it deprives people of what is necessary to provide for their needs and that of their dependants.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1R2mV5Seb
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