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    Quote Originally Posted by WellNow View Post
    Gambling is not a sin. Nor is drinking. It's when it's done to excess and the breadwinner starts backing horses instead of putting food on the table, it's sinful.


    First Timothy 6:10 tells us, “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Hebrews 13:5 declares, “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’” Matthew 6:24 proclaims, “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”


    The hypocrisy is the Catholic church is that it allows gambling like bingo, lotteries etc that raises funds for it, I have also seen priests at horse and greyhound racing.......once again total hypocrites.

    In other places they support casinos.
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    Christian Today: Catholic Mass in a Casino


    Saint John The Baptist Catholic Church is the only Catholic Church in the state of Nevada and possibly in the whole world that celebrates The Catholic Mass in a Casino, with Masses in the casino showroom Saturday and Sunday.

    They even have their own Casino Chip-



    While it is not playable at the tables it sure makes for a great souvenir and conversation piece.

    They are available from the gift shop and/or by mail from:

    Saint JohnThe Baptist Catholic Church
    POB 31230,
    Laughlin, Nevada
    89028-1230

    If you don't belive me, you can buy one of your own.

    The cost is three dollars for each chip (cash or money order) and that includes a clear plastic protective case. Please $1.00 shipping for each chip ordered.
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    St Cayetano: Patron Saint of Gamblers




    Cayetano became known as the Patron Saint of Gamblers because people would bet him a rosary or blessed candle that he would not do some special favour for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    And of course they gamble on the markets.
    "Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period."

    "Investment has different meanings in finance and economics. In Finance investment is putting money into something with the expectation of gain, that upon thorough analysis, has a high degree of security of principle, as well as security of return, within an expected period of time.[1] In contrast putting money into something with an expectation of gain without thorough analysis, without security of principal, and without security of return is speculation or gambling."

    Inane comment Cruimh. The church, whatever its ills is perfectly entitled to take a moral position on this matter. And of course anyone who's set foot in a large casino will clearly see the difference between the gambling that goes on there and in a bingo hall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero View Post
    With respect, do you think you should develop some expertise before arguing with conviction for measures that restrict the freedom of others and prevent socially-beneficial leisure and employment?

    In particular, studies from America are of limited value. In Ireland, even the smallest towns have bookmakers shops. It follows that Irish casinos won't be seen to spark as many gambling addiction problems, because Irish addicts are already well catered for.

    You might as well introduce pubs to Iran, observe the resulting drunkenness and alcoholism, and use those observations to argue against allowing new pubs in Ireland or the UK.
    One doesn't need to be an expert before commenting on issues such as this and proferring an opinion.

    I see you completely ignore the article I linked to about a damning council investigation into the impact of supercasinos.

    Beyond providing employment you tell me how a supercasino is "socially beneficial"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    First Timothy 6:10 tells us, “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Hebrews 13:5 declares, “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’” Matthew 6:24 proclaims, “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”


    The hypocrisy is the Catholic church is that it allows gambling like bingo, lotteries etc that raises funds for it, I have also seen priests at horse and greyhound racing.......once again total hypocrites.

    In other places they support casinos.
    Massive casino developments lead to large scale social issues. They rely on problem gamblers for a massive amount of their income.

    "Thus a problem gambler is much more likely to lose a lot of money on roulette or slot machines, where rounds end quickly and there is a constant temptation to play again or increase bets, as opposed to a state lottery where the gambler must wait until the next drawing to see results."

    Big difference between that and a bingo hall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    What's that 'socio' prefix doing in there?
    You don't think political decision-makers should ever take into account the interests of society before making important decisions? Or perhaps you don't think there is any such thing as the interest/good of society? Or perhaps you don't think there is such a thing as society?
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    I stopped reading what was a very short article linked in the OP where I got to this pile of manure. He couldn't find data more recent that 15 to 35 years old?

    A study using data from every US county from 1977 to 1996, found that casinos are associated with increased crime, including aggravated assault, rape, murder, robbery, burglary and car theft.
    The Church would do well to keep it's own house in order and stop pretending it has the welfare of the community at heart. Perhaps their main concern is Tipperary is that people will start going there to pray instead of the Church. The Fitzwilliam Casino in Dublin actually used to be a church. I remember Padraig Parkinson once wrote that people pray there now more than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspherical123 View Post
    Priests and bishops like lotteries to raise funds for their churches, bingo, horse and greyhound racing but they are not really into blackjack, roulette etc.
    It is ridiculous to compare a church raffle with a gambling casino. For a start, the people who buy the tickets are motivated more by a desire to raise funds for a cause they support, rather than winning a fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyessus View Post
    It is ridiculous to compare a church raffle with a gambling casino. For a start, the people who buy the tickets are motivated more by a desire to raise funds for a cause they support, rather than winning a fortune.
    Gambling and Religion have a hell of a lot in common.

    Isn't Christianity itself selling a lottery ticket to heaven? People turn to the Church in times of desperation in order to save themselves. The Church feeds off people when they are at their most vulnerable, offering salvation, forgiveness and a clear path into the afterlife. You're not in if you can't win! The Church sells a lie in the same way Casino's sell the opportunity of instant wealth.

    I had a Jahovah's witness from Colorado sit beside me on the bus the other day. Boy did he pick the wrong person to start talking about his "Mission" to.
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