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About LinkBacksYou do have to admire if from them though. Far too often parties cater for the lowest common denominator rather than challenging people's predjudices.Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
You do have to admire if from them though. Far too often parties cater for the lowest common denominator rather than challenging people's predjudices.
My dogma was run over by my karma. Economic Left/Right: 2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03
Sinn Fein it seems have no policy towards economic migrants from the new accession states. While the PDs are honest enough or possibly naive enough to declare that they are happy to allow economic dilution in pursuit of an unfair distribution of the nations wealth as is humanly possible, Sinn Fein are mute. Rising taxation will not balance the economic impact on ordinary Irish people of another tranche of cheap labour from Romania and Bulgaria. Its is truly laughable that Sinn Fein are so precious and 'right on' to a point where they have painted themselves into a politically correct corner.
It does make sense for the PDs to support mass immigration of cheap labour because they are a party that supports the interests of those who will benefit, ie. employers, particularly those at the lower end of the scale.
However, it makes no sense for a party of the left to be rabbiting on about the "free movement of labour" which is a right wing neo-liberal phrase.
It does make sense for the PDs to support mass immigration of cheap labour because they are a party that supports the interests of those who will benefit, ie. employers, particularly those at the lower end of the scale.
However, it makes no sense for a party of the left to be rabbiting on about the "free movement of labour" which is a right wing neo-liberal phrase.
I agree, but why do we have this hardly typical silence from Sinn Fein supporters. Come on lets be havvin ya!
1. There is no polling by Sinn Féin in Dublin that suggests 80% of people or 80% of Sinn Féin voters want toughed immigration controls. Firstly, we can't afford polling companies. Secondly, we have not carried out any such survey with our activists. Either the poster who claimed this is lieing or the person who told him is lieing.
2. Eddie, this is a discussion about immigration, not economics. Start another thread. But on that wage under Sinn Féin's taxation proposals, still being worked on, you'd be paying the same or slightly less in direct taxation and less in stealth charges and taxation raised from the better off would go to better public services which, with a wage like that, you would probably be availing of.
3. As for popper's point, I wouldn't give two cents for the limited understanding people on this thread have for a 'party of the left'. A party of the left believes in solidarity with those who are less well-off. It opposes wages being driven down through immigration and displacement not by deportation and exclusion, but by unionising workers and better regulation, by ensuring that regardless of national background or race, a worker gets a fair wage. Sinn Féin does not believe in open door immigration, as numerous people ignorantly state on this thread, but economic immigration to this state is a positive, not a negative.
The notion of right-wing nationalists suddenly discovering a concern for Irish workers is nothing more than a pathetic attempt by a number of people on this site to feign concern for the less well-off to hide their own racism.
For whom is mass immigration of cheap labour a positive? Huckster shops and minimum wage bars and hotels not to mention those many employers who get away with not even paying minimum wage.
As for the slogan regarding organising workers, one of the first principles of trade unionism is the right of workers to have a say in restricting access to the labour marker. That was how unions operate and indeed still operate in order to prevent "market forces" driving down wages and conditions.
Besides, would it not be better for migrant workers to stay at home and fight for better wages there than come in large numbers to other countries where they help to undermine the wages and conditions of the indigenous work force?
What restrictions does SF believe should be in place?
Excuse me McDowell has already stated the govt is likely to bring in controls on Romania and Bulgaria.
Source:
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ ... e_id=14568
The reality is that those who want restrictions on the new member states have no real choice but to vote for FF-PD, because they are the only parties indicating controls are on the way on these countries. Rabbitte is likely too frightened of the immigration-liberals on his backbenches like JC and MDH to make this party policy. My bet is he will be thrown out after the election on the worst Labour performance for decades. Enda Kenny has already stated on "The Political Party" on TV3 that he will open our labour-market to Romania and Bulgaria. So people, the choice is clear - between the current govt that will restrict access for Romanian and Bulgarian workers, and the "Let them in" brigade of FG/Lab/Greens/SF. Your choice. :wink:Door shuts for migrants
Work permit plan to restrict Bulgarian and Romanian workers
THE Government is planning to close the door to thousands of foreign workers looking to move here next year.
The Irish Independent has learned the State wants to end its open-door policy for migrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania.
Thousands of workers from the two EU accession states had been expected to move here once they became full members of the EU in January 2007.
Now, however, government sources have revealed Taoiseach Bertie Ahern and Justice Minister Michael McDowell plan to introduce specific work-permits for nationals from the two new EU member states.
"The standard of living in Bulgaria and Romania is so far below the other access countries we would be swamped by workers seeking jobs here," a source said.
The Fianna Fail/PD coalition is wary of a voter backlash which they fear would be sparked by a fresh influx of foreign workers.
The ban on Romanians and Bulgarians working here would not affect the position of migrant workers from Poland and the Baltic States.
Almost 100,000 Polish workers are estimated to be already living here.
The Government's move is a stark reversal of its position when it rebuked other EU member states for refusing open access to workers from the 10 accession states who joined in May 2004.
In May, Mr Ahern said: "We'll have to eventually look at Bulgaria and Romania but I'd rather see my colleagues being a bit more advanced."
Ireland, Britain and Sweden were the only countries that allowed workers from accession states to freely seek work in 2004.
To date, Finland is the only EU member to publicly announce it will allow Bulgarian and Romanian workers full access to jobs.
News of the plan comes after the Irish Independent exclusively revealed yesterday government plans to introduce ID cards for non-nationals as part of a blitz on illegal immigration.
Mr Ahern and Mr McDowell are currently fine-tuning a landmark "one-stop" immigration law to be brought to Cabinet before the Dail resumes next month.
The measures are modelled on tough US immigration laws.
They will oblige all non-EU nationals to carry bio-metric ID cards.
My source is a SF voter from 2002 who has warned the party that they will not get their vote unless they drop the "Let them in" routine. This individual has spoken to senior SF members.1. There is no polling by Sinn Féin in Dublin that suggests 80% of people or 80% of Sinn Féin voters want toughed immigration controls. Firstly, we can't afford polling companies. Secondly, we have not carried out any such survey with our activists. Either the poster who claimed this is lieing or the person who told him is lieing.
Redneck #1: They took our jobs!
Redneck #2: Took-er jerbs!
Redneck #3: Derp de der!
"Peace without justice is a field sown with violence." - Eduardo Galeano
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The notion of right-wing nationalists suddenly discovering a concern for Irish workers is nothing more than a pathetic attempt by a number of people on this site to feign concern for the less well-off to hide their own racism.
There you go put up or shut up. Accept economic dilution or you are a racist. Not only are they happy to accept dislocation they are willing to employ smearing tactics against people who question the economic and social sence of their libertarian policy. Shame on you Sinn Fein.
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