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    So what did you think of the Ard Fheis?

    I think this Ard Fheis was a pretty good one with a lot of fine, open debate (Still given the clár I expected better). While I voted against both joining the PSNI and indeed coalition I think it is pretty clear where I stand on those issues, that is to say I think keeping your options open is the best policy. Now what does that mean, does it mean I feel that we should go in with Fianna Fail after the next GE? Well quite honestly no I don’t, we can only contemplate going into government when we can negotiate a programme which fits with our distinct republican socialist agenda.

    The Ard Fheis made the repeal of the offences against the state act a precondition to entering into government; I am delighted that this motion was passed. I personally wrote a motion which did not get out of my cumman and it called for a lot more “pre-conditions.” I believe all members of the Army must be released before it can be contemplated. I believe a minister must be appointed to drive forward Irish re-unification and a commitment to publish a green paper on unity must be given before it can be contemplated. I feel that a programme for government must have at its heart a commitment to equality and must put public services and ending disadvantage first, and the introduction of a truly progressive taxation system to pay for this must be in the programme. One of the phrases I heard most over the weekend was “Don’t tie the hands of the leadership”, well comrades we are republicans and this is not tying anybodies hands, this is simply adherence to the basic principles of that republicanism. Some one told me that the motion I wrote was ruling out coalition by just another means, by putting in conditions that could never be met, it was not, it was simply stating core principles that should not be negotiable.

    I believe in the process and have articulated this many times, but I have a deep frustration, a frustration borne out of how slow things are moving. It seems for many that it is the sole responsibility for republicans to move while others do nothing to progress things. I have said many times that I think the GFA is a real vehicle for change and achieving our goals, but not the only one. I think republicanism has come to a point where quite simply no more can be given, no further initiatives are possible, and we are now in a dodgy position of waiting for Paisley. I agree with the comments made by McGuiness on the assembly but would go a wee bit further, yes we want the agreement to work, but now its up to the two governments, Sinn Fèin should stop doing the chasing, stop trying to beat big Ian into government and almost begging the DUP to share power.

    Finally, while I have not been to that many Ard Feishina I have to say that yesterday I witnessed one of the most appalling speeches ever when a “comrade” rose to speak on immigration. The speech was sexist, racist, and indeed did no justice to the actual motion which I know was not intended to be that way. It was one of the few occasions where one witnessed somebody being booed from the floor. It was in stark contrast to the fantastic speech by Cllr. Dessie Ellis on Saturday in which he articulated the position of Sinn Fèin so well on the subject. While Dessie spoke about true republican principles this was in stark contrast to the populist claptrap by the speaker yesterday. While Dessie talked about a true inclusive Ireland the guy yesterday talked about the need to answer this question on the doorstep and talked about a flood. Well two years ago when I was standing for election I was in the square with Mary Lou and we where approached by a women who asked, “Are you against that referendum which would allow us to send those blacks home?” and Mary Lou said “Yes we are”, the women said “Well you wont be getting my vote” to which Mary Lou replied “That is comforting to know”. We should never go down the populist route and follow Pat Rabbitte in the cheap pursuit of votes.
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    Motion 383 concerning the gap between leadership and grassroots was defeated. Was it outargued or did it fall by default of another motion being passed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edifice.
    Motion 383 concerning the gap between leadership and grassroots was defeated. Was it outargued or did it fall by default of another motion being passed?
    It was out voted. I voted in favour of it.

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    [quote=brenners']
    Quote Originally Posted by "edifice.":7k4jti50
    Motion 383 concerning the gap between leadership and grassroots was defeated. Was it outargued or did it fall by default of another motion being passed?
    It was out voted. I voted in favour of it.[/quote:7k4jti50]

    What were the general arguments opposing the motion?

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    I've been to a lot of Ard Fheis and I think this was one of the better ones. It was young, vibrant and at last women are starting to come to the fore. The Clár however was simply to big - almost 500 motions -way to many. it was a nightmare voting and that could be seen in the frequent mix-ups by several chair throughout the weekend. This needs to be looked at. (not sure how as we have to maintain the right for each cumann to submit motions as they wish). Interesting for our enemies to see how the "sheep" managed to defeat many of the Ard comhairle motions and pass some real progressive policies. We also sucessfully adopted 3 major policy papers. I was struck by the level of debate the quality, and for a longstanding republican the fact that I didnt know most of the speakers etc - definate evidence of growth. Another area where we must look at was during Gerry's speach the room was simply too packed, too hot and very uncomfortable. Maybe we should look at alternative venues as the Ard Fheis seems to grow year on year.

    I agree I thought Dessie Ellis made an excellent speech. I didn't hear the other one. I missed a small bit of Ard Fheis yesterday. (If Brenners wants to pm me and elaborate i'd be grateful)......

    It was good to see so many comrades, confident in our ability and our future. I know some comrades were disappointed with number of motions refered to incoming Ard Comhairle, but I believe that this is a sensible approach and it was the descision of the delegates and that is democracy. I left with nothing but optimism for the future.

    Looking at Dessie Ellis speaking I was reminded of a bad winter nights I spent in his parents house in Finglas in 1991 and Dessie was just after ending his hunger strike in Brixton prison, the time was very bleak and our struggle looked contained. Now we are on the cusp of major breakthroughs. Whilst all will not always be happy with all we achieve no one can dispute the fact that our struggle progresses.

    So yes a great ard Fheis and I look forward to future.....

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    From the little I saw on television, it was apparent that SF likes to display their medium-to-hotchix prominently for the cameras. And a high proportion of the male activists appear to be scrawny geeks.

    Gerry Adams' little joke as gaeilge at the start of his speech went down well too, I thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sarsfield
    Looking at Dessie Ellis speaking I was reminded of a bad winter nights I spent in his parents house in Finglas in 1991 and Dessie was just after ending his hunger strike in Brixton prison, the time was very bleak and our struggle looked contained. Now we are on the cusp of major breakthroughs. Whilst all will not always be happy with all we achieve no one can dispute the fact that our struggle progresses.

    So yes a great ard Fheis and I look forward to future.....
    I was also struck by something looking at Dessie Ellis, how can you expect to go into coalition with the party that extradited Dessie on a stretcher? At all costs you should stay away from coalition. Once you go into coalition, you will more and more, find yourselves weakening. You'd have to start accepting the Government's Health Policies etc. How can you condemn hospital waiting lists if you are part of the government? You'll be wary of rocking the boat in case it breaks up a coalition and causes another election. Too tenuous. The best place to be is in opposition. Strong opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XRoot
    From the little I saw on television, it was apparent that SF likes to display their medium-to-hotchix prominently for the cameras. And a high proportion of the male activists appear to be scrawny geeks.
    For your information, I've tried all the protein powders and they don't work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOD
    Quote Originally Posted by XRoot
    From the little I saw on television, it was apparent that SF likes to display their medium-to-hotchix prominently for the cameras. And a high proportion of the male activists appear to be scrawny geeks.
    For your information, I've tried all the protein powders and they don't work!
    Didn't see too many scrawny geeks from where I was sitting! :wink:

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    Actually, one of my favourite parts of the weekend was when two Ógra members got up and read exerpts from letters by Nora Connolly and Bobby Sands. And of course, any time Barry McElduff spoke

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