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About LinkBacksWe're voting for it but I doubt it.Originally Posted by Pidge
We're voting for it but I doubt it.
We're voting for it but I doubt it.
Agree with Cain (for once :wink: ) on this one.
Questions and Opinions regarding SF Árd Fheis 2006, Friday
Motion 1
Support
Motion 2: Question
What is Protocol 12 of the European Convention for the Protection of Hunan Rights and Freedoms?
Motions 11-13 Abortion
12. This Ard Fheis amends our current policy on abortion so that it reflects that the right to life of the unborn is equal to the right to life of the woman.
I would vote for this.
13. This Ard Fheis resolves that every Sinn Féin member from party president to cumann member should have the right to articulate and campaign on the issue of abortion according to their conscience.
Probably the least divisive motion of abortion of seen for a while, a potential compromise.
Motions 14-19 Immigrants and Asylum-Seekers
14. This Ard Fheis proposes that all those seeking asylum in this country before January 1st 2006 be granted residence in Ireland, and that a resourced, human rights based legislation system be introduced immediately to deal with future cases.
Absolutely idiotic. Pass.
I would vote for Motions 15, 16 & 17 though I don't like the final clause of Motion 16
• Calls on the British and Irish Governments to accede to the Palermo Protocol on Human Trafficking (2000) and make provisions for residency permits for victims of human trafficking. Further, this Ard Fheis opposes any legislation which criminalises the victims of trafficking.
No, you deport illegal immigrants. Otherwise you will surely encourage Human Traffickers.
However worthy Motion 17 is, I am concerned that recommendations made by an organisation called the "International Organisation
for Migration" are to be implented tomorrow.
I would vote against Motions 18 and 19;
18. This Ard Fheis:
• Deplores the despicable process of “ageing out” of unaccompanied minors - that is deporting them once they reach the age of majority rather than allowing them to remain in their new home, Ireland; and
Perfectly legitimate.
Motion 20 Sex Industry
20. This Ard Fheis:
• Demands that the 1949 United Nations charter is enforced as prostitution is a violation of a persons human rights, and greater attention at government level to the issues of
prostitution and sexual exploitation are required;
• Believes that prostitution should not be legalised as this only promotes the industry;
• Calls on the party to address the issue of woman being trafficked to Ireland who ultimately end up in prostitution, and for support for exit strategies for people who get involved in prostitution;
• Calls for legislation to be brought forward similar to that of Sweden which advocates the criminalising of the person who uses prostitutes and the decriminalising of the person involved in prostitution; and
• Further calls for more resources and support for the women and agencies who are currently involved in tackling this issue.
Support, save the highlighted line. Why criminalise the purchaser and not the Vendor? Hypocrisy.
Motion 22 "Gender Equality"
22. This Ard Fheis calls on the British and Irish Governments to promote women in politics and as a first step to allow women elected representatives to co-opt their seats for the period of statutory maternity leave.
No paternity leave for male Councillors?
Motions 23-24
Support
Motions 25-27 Civil & Political Rights
Motion 25 Question: What are the "Paris Principles"?
Motions 26 & 27 Support
Motions 28-33 Peace Process, 34-37 Demilitarisation, Motions 38-50 Good Friday Agreement, Motions 51-52 Outreach, Motions 53-60 Truth & Motion 61 Parades.
Support all, with particular approval for Motions 44-46
44. This Ard Fheis resolves to promptly convene a special conference to debate the merits and viability or otherwise of the GFA as a vehicle to advance the struggle for a 32 county democratic socialist Republic.
46. This Ard Fheis resolves to promptly begin a debate as to whether or not the strategic objectives identified as a means to advance the struggle for a 32 county Democratic Socialist Republic, their underlying rationales, and the necessary consensus identified at the time for their adoption (these objectives predating the 1994 cessation and informing all of their
subsequent political deliberations and initiatives), have been realised, are realizable, or were ever realisable within the context of the run-up to the GFA, the GFA itself and its outworkings.
Motions 62-72
Motion 62-63 Question: Where could one find these documents ‘Challenging the Democratic Deficit - Democratising the European Union' and '‘Making The Case, proposals for a EU support package for Irish reunification' on the net?
69. This Ard Fheis expresses deep concern at the damage that a ‘Fortress Europe’ approach
is inflicting on refugee protection across the world. We are particularly concerned that the
concept of a ‘safe country’ is being used to justify the expulsion of people at risk.
We are also concerned that EU member states are shirking their care and protection
responsibilities by sending irregular migrants out of Europe to states that may be ill-equipped to deal with their needs.
Therefore, this Ard Fheis calls for:
• The treatment of irregular migrants and potential asylum seekers to be based on care and protection rather than detention and possible expulsion;
• An end to the practice in some EU member states of attempting to keep out refugees at all costs;
• Asylum policy to be based on the highest international human rights standards; and
• Measures to ensure that no one is forcibly returned to a country where they may face persecution or ill treatment.
I would vote against this. Yet another motion that fails to acknowledge the reality that failed Asylum-seekers must be deported.
Otherwise I would vote for all motions.
Motions 73-95 International Solidarity
I support all except Motion 83:
83. This Ard Fheis supports the right of Montenegro and Kosovo to self determination and independence subject to constitutional guarantees on the status and treatment of minority ethnic groups in these territories.
Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia in the same sense as the Six Counties, to Ireland.
Curious.
47. This Ard Fheis reaffirms its commitment to the Republican principle that the people of
Ireland have the right to self-determination, national sovereignty and independence.
Black/Ryan Cumann, Dublin
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Are you in anyway responsible for 470? It is phrased in such a way that no one would vote against it, yet you know behind it, it is really meant as an anti-immigration motion.
"John Bull has got his hand down your pants and his fist around your bollox and you can't see it."
That should be an interesting debate, considering the motion preceding it.12. This Ard Fheis amends our current policy on abortion so that it reflects that the right to life of the unborn is equal to the right to life of the woman.
Failed liberal traitors:
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An appalling and deeply offensive motion which will die the death it deserves.
A cop-out.13. This Ard Fheis resolves that every Sinn Féin member from party president to cumann member should have the right to articulate and campaign on the issue of abortion according to their conscience.
Probably the least divisive motion of abortion of seen for a while, a potential compromise.
The Swedish model is based upon a (rather patronising IMHO) view that all female prostitutes are victims. I also oppose it but on the grounds that it hasn't worked well in Sweden.• Calls for legislation to be brought forward similar to that of Sweden which advocates the criminalising of the person who uses prostitutes and the decriminalising of the person involved in prostitution
Support, save the highlighted line. Why criminalise the purchaser and not the Vendor? Hypocrisy.
There is no statutory paternity leave in the 26 Counties. I certainly would agree there should be.22. This Ard Fheis calls on the British and Irish Governments to promote women in politics and as a first step to allow women elected representatives to co-opt their seats for the period of statutory maternity leave.
No paternity leave for male Councillors?
I think a lot of people, especially those who aren't familiar with the history of the region, tend to think of Kosovo as analogous to Ireland and Serbia as analogous to Britain rather than Kosovo being analogous to the Six Counties. There is an amendment to this motion which hopefully everybody will be able to support - it basically just says that we support the right of the people of the Balkan region to decide their futures peacefully.83. This Ard Fheis supports the right of Montenegro and Kosovo to self determination and independence subject to constitutional guarantees on the status and treatment of minority ethnic groups in these territories.
Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia in the same sense as the Six Counties, to Ireland.
But how is it a cop out? Sinn Fein is supposed to be (and I hope it is!) a revolutionary movement, not simply a constitutional party. Just because the other parties feel they need to take an issue on this doesnt mean we have to slavishly follow suit. People join SF for the Republic and for socialism, not for their policy on abortion. If we take a strong stance on the issue we'll alienate peole.Quote:
13. This Ard Fheis resolves that every Sinn Féin member from party president to cumann member should have the right to articulate and campaign on the issue of abortion according to their conscience.
Probably the least divisive motion of abortion of seen for a while, a potential compromise.
A cop-out.
What do you think the chances are of Motion 11 passing? I'd guess it's probably slim to none, but I'd certainly throw the Shinners a vote if it did.An appalling and deeply offensive motion which will die the death it deserves.
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That motion calling for criminalisng users of prostitutes, but not prostitutes is pathetic, and playing to the feminist, men haters. . Does that include closet gays using male prostitutes, as in the recent case of the Lib Dem leader? Would those proposing and supporting this motion have called for his arrest? I thought PSF claim to be modern and progressive?
I've been to a few brothels in Europe, exercising my right to choose. Brothels should be legalised in Ireland, so we can get the brassers off the street.
Just 1 gram of cocaine destroys 4m2 of tropical rainforest. Give it up ya selfish b'stards.
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