Ard Fheis

[ireland2004]

Bogwarrior, we are not oppossed to Armed Struggle, we just don't see the need for one at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.

Fcking hell. What a casual way to say 'we are not opposed to killing people, we just don't see the need to do it at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.'

Yes Badinage during an armed struggle people are generally killed...

[badinage]

Bogwarrior, we are not oppossed to Armed Struggle, we just don't see the need for one at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.

Fcking hell. What a casual way to say 'we are not opposed to killing people, we just don't see the need to do it at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.'

Yes Badinage during an armed struggle people are generally killed...

I'm aware of that. What I was surprised at was the casualness of the sentence, which surely you agree is a tad twisted if you replace the euphamism "armed struggle" with the reality "shooting policemen and soldiers, and blowing up Irish and English civilians".

[smiffy]

Squiffy, the reason I generally ignore you is that I have never once seen you post anything that wasn't some childish inane remark. The content of your postings is banal and puerile and speaks of a limited knowledge of the world. Apart from that, the one occasion I did seriously engage you I proved by facts that I was right but of course you resorted to your usual nonsense.

Double

It's amusing to see someone who uses the word 'Squiffy' accuse someone else of being childish and puerile. However, I must have mssed the time you 'seriously engaged' and were 'proved right'. Can you refresh my memory? I wasn't the time you claimed that there were 'multiculturalists' in Ireland who believed that FGM was acceptable, and then threw a baby tantrum when you were asked to name one of them, was it?

Maybe you could tell us if this occurred when you were posting as mattt or as popper, as it's difficult to keep track of the two.

Perhaps you believe that asking why being pro-choice is incompatible with republicanism (while being racist apparently is fine) is 'inane'. I thought it was reasonable, as I've never heard that argument made before. Are you arguing that the members of Sinn Féin who are pro-choice aren't actually republicans at all?

Obviously my knowledge of the world must be far more limited that the great popper's (whose experience of life runs the gamut from North Korea to Nigerians, with little else besides). But who could compete with such a Titan?

The fact that you also spend an unhealthy amount of time on the site, as indicated by the ridiculous number of postings you have made, suggests that you are some sort of social cripple who lives a vicarious existence via the world wide web. More to be pitied than scorned I suppose. Get a life loser.

Obviously if I had your X-Ray vision, I'd be hanging around Moore Street defending Mother Ireland from marauding hordes of Nigerian crack dealers like you do. But being the social cripple that I am, I must remain here.

However, if the number of posts I've made says something about me, what do you think the fact that virtually everything you say on here seems driven by bitterness, bile and resentment says about you, buddy?

[Rocky]

Bogwarrior, we are not oppossed to Armed Struggle, we just don't see the need for one at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.

Fcking hell. What a casual way to say 'we are not opposed to killing people, we just don't see the need to do it at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.'

That's what I was saying to you another thread last night Bandiage. The ordinary SF members don't seem to be committed peace at all and just think the GFA is a better way to get a UI. The attitude seems to be that if this fails and I can't see how it won't SF and the IRA will go back to killing people. That's ROC, Padraig and Ireland2004 who have said something like in the few days.

[ireland2004]

I'm aware of that. What I was surprised at was the casualness of the sentence, which surely you agree is a tad twisted if you replace the euphamism "armed struggle" with the reality "shooting policemen and soldiers, and blowing up Irish and English civilians".

I don't believe it is a twisted position to hold at all. Armed struggle & peace are merely strategies to me. Whichever I feel will best advance the cause of Irish freedom, I'll support

The ordinary SF members don't seem to be committed peace at all and just think the GFA is a better way to get a UI.

Ummm obviously... We're hardly gonna support something that we think will further our the realisation of our objectives.

[Cara]

You don't think there are people (Catholic or otherwise) who refuse to support us because of our support for the armed struggle?

During the 80's maybe, its hardly an issue now is it? And it wasn't as if there was an realistic alternative to it. The abortion issue is totally different.

What planet are you on?

Same one as you W which is why I'm as entitled to give my opinion on the matter as you are.

[Cara]

I'm aware of that. What I was surprised at was the casualness of the sentence, which surely you agree is a tad twisted if you replace the euphamism "armed struggle" with the reality "shooting policemen and soldiers, and blowing up Irish and English civilians".

Would you say the same of Bush & Blair when they casually talk of the war on terror...ie. invading other countries.

[badinage]

I'm aware of that. What I was surprised at was the casualness of the sentence, which surely you agree is a tad twisted if you replace the euphamism "armed struggle" with the reality "shooting policemen and soldiers, and blowing up Irish and English civilians".

I don't believe it is a twisted position to hold at all. Armed struggle & peace are merely strategies to me. Whichever I feel will best advance the cause of Irish freedom, I'll support

Would you rape people if you believed it would advance the Cause, or does your amoral outlook stop at shooting people and blowing them apart?

I'm aware of that. What I was surprised at was the casualness of the sentence, which surely you agree is a tad twisted if you replace the euphamism "armed struggle" with the reality "shooting policemen and soldiers, and blowing up Irish and English civilians".

Would you say the same of Bush & Blair when they casually talk of the war on terror...ie. invading other countries.

Yes. I think the invasion of Iraq was illegal. And the "war on terror" is a hideous invention of the Republican Party, as an unwinnable, never-ending war with a shadowy enemy threatening Americans in their homes, is the best thing that's ever happened to the Republican Party.

[padraig]

Bogwarrior, we are not oppossed to Armed Struggle, we just don't see the need for one at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.

Fcking hell. What a casual way to say 'we are not opposed to killing people, we just don't see the need to do it at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.'

And its another way of saying that if the Nationalist community weren't denied basic human rights in the first place we may not have felt it necessary to have a conflict in the first place. And yes people do get killed in warfare, but remember its not soldiers or armies that start wars, that is usually the politicans.

[padraig]

Bogwarrior, we are not oppossed to Armed Struggle, we just don't see the need for one at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.

Fcking hell. What a casual way to say 'we are not opposed to killing people, we just don't see the need to do it at present as we can achieve our aim by political means.'

That's what I was saying to you another thread last night Bandiage. The ordinary SF members don't seem to be committed peace at all and just think the GFA is a better way to get a UI. The attitude seems to be that if this fails and I can't see how it won't SF and the IRA will go back to killing people. That's ROC, Padraig and Ireland2004 who have said something like in the few days.

Rocky I have always said that I support arm struggle as a last resort, which is when democratic politics fails, I'am also committed to the GFA as the best way forward to achieving and promoting an peaceful United Ireland. But if the Loyalists ever try to drag the 6 counties back to its pre-68 level then I would support a return to war.