Dáil Éireann

[hiding behind a poster]

Oh Risteard, where are you????

[cain1798]

For the record Sinn Féin recognises Leinster House as the legitimate government for this state....

Republicans do not believe however that Dáil Éireann is the legitimate successor to the Dáil set up prior to the Tan War and hence maintain our political allegiance to the Proclamation and the Democratic Programme as paramount.

Aren't these two viewpoints in direct contradiction of one another?

Nope. I recognise the right of Leinster House to make laws in this state and as the legitimate government of this state. I simply don't see it as the descendent of the First and Second Dáil, which were All-Ireland in nature, and as a republican work towards the restoration of the republic declared in 1916.

It's actually pretty straight-forward if you sit down and think about it for a bit.

[Danny Invincible]

I recognise the right of Leinster House to make laws in this state and as the legitimate government of this state. I simply don't see it as the descendent of the First and Second Dáil, which were All-Ireland in nature, and as a republican work towards the restoration of the republic declared in 1916.

But the Republic proclaimed in 1916 envisaged a different state from the one in which we live in today. How can you recognise the legitimacy of two different states within one territory, both claiming the right to govern over that same territory?

[cain1798]

But the Republic proclaimed in 1916 envisaged a different state from the one in which we live in today. How can you recognise the legitimacy of two different states within one territory, both claiming the right to govern over that same territory?

I don't. What on earth are you talking about?

[edifice.]

A bit of a take on this. If Donaldson's actions are considered a crime by republicans who represents the legitimate authority on the island to address that crime?

[Danny Invincible]

But the Republic proclaimed in 1916 envisaged a different state from the one in which we live in today. How can you recognise the legitimacy of two different states within one territory, both claiming the right to govern over that same territory?

I don't. What on earth are you talking about?

You claim to recognise the legitimacy of our modern state, the Republic of Ireland, which owes its existence to the enactment of the 1937 Constitution of Ireland. Yet, you also claim to recognise the legitimacy of the potential state proclaimed in 1916. This proclamation envisaged a completely different state from the one we live in today. The existence of one denies to existence of the other. They are polars and so are impossible to co-recognise.

[cain1798]

Yet, you also claim to recognise the legitimacy of the potential state proclaimed in 1916. This proclamation envisaged a completely different state from the one we live in today. The existence of one denies to existence of the other. They are polars and so are impossible to co-recognise.

The potential state? I have to remember that one.

Right, here's the sceál.

There is ONE legitimate government of this state. Details about it can be found at www.irlgov.ie . I do not believe there is some secret government wandering around Longford somewhere that is the 'real' government. Nor do I believe the IRA Army Council is the legitimate government. Despite Mickser McDowell's comments, this is not Sinn Féin policy.

I owe my POLITICAL allegiance to the Irish Republic declared in 1916. I believe this Republic was overthrown by the Counter-Revolution of 1922. But it is the restoration of this republic that I am devoted to as a republican.

This does NOT mean that I believe the Second Dail to be the legitimate government of Ireland. For one thing it doesn't even exist.

[Danny Invincible]

A bit of a take on this. If Donaldson's actions are considered a crime by republicans who represents the legitimate authority on the island to address that crime?

Jeffrey Donaldson? Surely his actions would have to be dealt with by the legal system of Northern Ireland or the UK if that's where he committed the alleged crimes. If not, then generally the legal system of whichever jurisdiction he committed such crimes in would address his actions.

[edifice.]

Jeffrey Donaldson? Surely his actions would have to be dealt with by the legal system of Northern Ireland or the UK if that's where he committed the alleged crimes. If not, then generally the legal system of whichever jurisdiction he committed such crimes in would address his actions.

Do either jurisdictions consider his actions a crime?

[qtman]

Nor do I believe the IRA Army Council is the legitimate government. Despite Mickser McDowell's comments, this is not Sinn Féin policy.

Do you have a source for this? I remember Mitchel McLoughlin refusing to deny it when it was put to him by McDowell.