Thread to discuss SFs new economic policy

[AndrewM]

Hey folks, I'm going to the liberty of setting up a third thread on SFs economic policy. While the other two are involved in snide remarks, bitching and moaning, this one can be used to discuss the actual document.

Have to say, was pleasantly surprised by what I read about it in the IT. Their corporation tax proposals may be a little high, but I agree with the need to invest in education, reduce self-regulation of the professions and the moves towards an all-Ireland economy. What's missing, however, is the income tax proposals, does anyone know what they are? The detail of the policy is also far greater then what we've previously seen from SF

From a political aspect, I think it brings us a step closer to SF/Grn/Lab co-operation and ending the reliance on FG.

[rockofcashel]

yer mad for an oul SF-Grn coalition aren't yah Andy.

Just re-join. We'll welcome ya back :wink:

[mjcoughlan]

There's no point in this thread. I'm just waiting for someone to tell you to just read the SF website.

[cain1798]

There's no point in this thread. I'm just waiting for someone to tell you to just read the SF website.

While I am fully aware both your own debating technique and the policy formulation procedures of the Freedom Institute put little emphasis on reading about and studying things you choose to comment on, those of us with an interest in informed debate generally prefer to do so.

The document is as yet not available on the website but when it is be prepared for us to recommend reading it before you comment Mark. Should you succeed in doiong so you will be ready for the next step in your evolution, that of entering cogent, thorough and interesting debate.

As to Andrew's point, I think there should just be one thread rather than three for this issue and again I must point out the document is in draft form, will be amended and is flawed in my opinion.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Their proposals for a 17% corpo-tax rate as reported in the papers today are just wildly crazy especially when we are competing with Estonia's 0% rate. And if they really supported an All-Ireland ecomomy they wouldn't be so liberal on immigration - which can only erode the common sense of Irishness upon which victory in a Southern UI referendum is based.

[rockofcashel]

Their proposals for a 17% corpo-tax rate as reported in the papers today are just wildly crazy especially when we are competing with Estonia's 0% rate. And if they really supported an All-Ireland ecomomy they wouldn't be so liberal on immigration - which can only erode the common sense of Irishness upon which victory in a Southern UI referendum is based.

Just a question FT.

What was the rate of corporation tax when Intel set up in Ireland

or Pfizers

or Coca Cola

or most of the rest of the Pharmacuetical Industry ?

was it higher than 17%, and if so, why did they set up here.

also ask then why Gateway left Ireland ?

or Seagate ?

or Fruit of the Loom ?

all companies that left when the rate of Corporation tax was falling.

Then ask, is corporation tax the only reason companies locate in Ireland. `

And will you shut up about immigration eroding Irishness. Immigrants have been coming in for years now, and how many people to you think feel "less Irish" because of it. Its such a stupid argument.

[FutureTaoiseach]

And will you shut up about immigration eroding Irishness. Immigrants have been coming in for years now, and how many people to you think feel "less Irish" because of it. Its such a stupid argument.

My point on this is that a higher % of the total population and ultimately the electorate will consist of ppl who don't "feel Irish" and as a consequence of their non-Irish origins will not share the nationalist ideology of Republicanism in terms fo trying to achieve reunification. As a constitutional republican this is of concern to me and many others.

[mjcoughlan]

The document is as yet not available on the website but when it is be prepared for us to recommend reading it before you comment Mark. Should you succeed in doiong so you will be ready for the next step in your evolution, that of entering cogent, thorough and interesting debate.

Certainly. But I have no intentions of commenting on it.

[hiding behind a poster]

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My point on this is that a higher % of the total population and ultimately the electorate will consist of ppl who don't "feel Irish" and as a consequence of their non-Irish origins will not share the nationalist ideology of Republicanism in terms fo trying to achieve reunification. As a constitutional republican this is of concern to me and many others.

thats complete nonsense, and you've nothing whatsoever with which to back it up, other than your own anti-immigrant prejudice.

[hiding behind a poster]

Their proposals for a 17% corpo-tax rate as reported in the papers today are just wildly crazy especially when we are competing with Estonia's 0% rate. And if they really supported an All-Ireland ecomomy they wouldn't be so liberal on immigration - which can only erode the common sense of Irishness upon which victory in a Southern UI referendum is based.

Just a question FT.

What was the rate of corporation tax when Intel set up in Ireland

or Pfizers

or Coca Cola

or most of the rest of the Pharmacuetical Industry ?

was it higher than 17%, and if so, why did they set up here.

also ask then why Gateway left Ireland ?

or Seagate ?

or Fruit of the Loom ?

all companies that left when the rate of Corporation tax was falling.

Then ask, is corporation tax the only reason companies locate in Ireland.

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The actual rate of corporation tax is less significant than the relative rate. If your rate is 20%, and that of countries competing with you for investment is 10%, then your rate is uncompetitive. If the other countries' rate is 30%, then yours is competitive.