Community Led Socialism

[The Collective.]

Your oddly right wing for someone with the name "the collective".

Democracy means the people hold power, what better way for them to do that than to control the key economic sectors?
It's democratic, you just don't like the particular brand of democracy.

My name referes to collective thinking, as in pr-intellectualism, oppose to anti-intellectualism; i.e. socialism.(Theres little on anyone commenting on that unless the get the term).

What if the majority dont want individual sectors to be controled individually?

Example; what if the people that live around Tara or Mayo, want the pipeline and the motorway o be built? But the majority of the country dont it to?

What of non-profit sectors?

If your point is towards nationalisation of things, I'm not against nationalising things if I believe if would be more productive.

[Darren Mac an Phríora]

Socialism will come firmly onto the political agenda in Ireland in the years ahead due to the impending economic crisis (just as in many parts of latin America at the moment).

Yea right.

Whatever miniscule chance there is of Labour Party quasi-socialism and SF socialism increasing, there is f*** all chance of your brand of Trot Communism-Socialism increasing.

Your one man aim will be to get J Higgins reelected to the Dáil and that will be a very large feat.

[quote=Jolly Red Giant]

Your one man aim will be to get J Higgins reelected to the Dáil and that will be a very large feat.

Actually Darren - you once again display a total ignorance about the aims and objective of the SP. The SP does not regard Dail elections as the vehicle through which socialism can/will be achieved. It is merely a public platform through which we can explain ideas.[/quote:2t8ja292]

Your brand of communism/socialism will never come onto the political agenda anywhere. The most successful branch in your international 'organisation' was Ireland where you had 1 TD.

You will always be a fringe party.

[Coggy]

"The Working Class"

The multitude of individuals who sell their labour power (either hand or brain) for wages and do not own the means of production. Owning a few shares does not constitute owning the means of production - it merely means you were foolish enough to risk your money on a gamble (a bit like going to the bookies and putting money on SF to win 10 seats in the last election).

very simplistic JRG.. maybe I'm building up a substantial enough share so as to take them down from the inside.. you know, like a sleeper cell.. or a front.. like um.. People Before Profit

Why are you in Sinn Fein if its a party which claims to be socialist .

[Jolly Red Giant]

You will always be a fringe party.

The wishful thinking of a poor demented fool.

[Darren Mac an Phríora]

[quote=Jolly Red Giant]

You will always be a fringe party.

The wishful thinking of a poor demented fool.[/quote:2vatt26t]

And you are going to prove me wrong by being a significant electoral force in Ireland are you?

[Jolly Red Giant]

very simplistic JRG.. maybe I'm building up a substantial enough share so as to take them down from the inside.. you know, like a sleeper cell.. or a front.. like um.. People Before Profit

Don't tell the SWP - they'll have to pay you a visit for stealing one of their 'fronts'

[Jolly Red Giant]

Much of he world economy is dependent on such gambling

I would suggest that all of it is.

[Universal_001]

[quote=Darren Mac an Phríora][quote="Jolly Red Giant":3bxr2vbc]

You will always be a fringe party.

The wishful thinking of a poor demented fool.[/quote:3bxr2vbc]

And you are going to prove me wrong by being a significant electoral force in Ireland are you?[/quote:3bxr2vbc]

I think you missed his whole point about parliamentary politiccs being useless

[Jolly Red Giant]

Fascist isnt far-right.

I think you are displaying you political ignorance here sunshine - I suspect you haven't a clue what fascism is.
I

n a fascist state, I would be forced to join a far-right group.

No - you'd just be tortured and shot if you joined a left-wing one (or were disabled, jewish, a traveller or homosexual)

I group socialists in the same group.

Definitely displaying political ignorance here.

Accept Fascists are generally better organised.

Yea - and they got the trains to run on time too.

Says the person that doesnt think the Dail is the best/fair way to get things done. As people said above, socialism isnt democracy.

And delusional as well - he actually thinks the Dail is democratic!!!!

[Darren Mac an Phríora]

[quote=Universal_001][quote="Darren Mac an Phríora":ws9wo7dt][quote="Jolly Red Giant":ws9wo7dt]

You will always be a fringe party.

The wishful thinking of a poor demented fool.[/quote:ws9wo7dt]

And you are going to prove me wrong by being a significant electoral force in Ireland are you?[/quote:ws9wo7dt]

I think you missed his whole point about parliamentary politiccs being useless[/quote:ws9wo7dt]

Well the SP are not going to build up much support outside of the electorate system.