Never. I think DR just looked at his tagline; which he adopted during his [url=http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=29144&start=120]comical bumbling about adopting Saudi Arabia and Iran as Irelands models for assimilation of religious minorities and assumed he was.Originally Posted by DOD
Economic Left/Right -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -4.08
Read the quote Catalpa
In order for a socialist democracy to be built in Russia, the Russian working class needed the assistance of the working class of an advanced capitalist country in order to develop the Russian economy
working class not capitalist class.
Ah yes they all failed in communist dictatorshipsAbsolute rubbish here - quite simply because there hasn't been a successful socialist revolution since Russia in 1917.
Cultural Revolution
The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution[1] in the People's Republic of China was a struggle for power within the Communist Party of China that manifested into wide-scale social, political, and economic chaos, which grew to include large sections of Chinese society and eventually brought the entire country to the brink of civil war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
Mao more lethal
than Hitler, Stalin
Expert says Chinese leader's policies led to death of 77 million countrymen
A noted expert in calculating the number of deaths caused by authoritarian regimes says the late Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung's policies and actions led to the deaths of nearly 77 million of his countrymen, surpassing those killed by Nazi Party founder Adolf Hitler and Soviet Premier Josef Stalin.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=47616
Famine in the ukraine because of Stalin
Vigil for Ukraine Famine Victims
http://english.ntdtv.com/?c=210&a=832
The Killing Fields were a number of sites in Cambodia where large numbers of people were killed and buried by the Communist regime Khmer Rouge, which had ruled the country since 1975
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields
So what working class in any advanced capitalist Country could have helped the Soviet Union in any meangingful way in the 1920's?Read the quote Catalpa
In order for a socialist democracy to be built in Russia, the Russian working class needed the assistance of the working class of an advanced capitalist country in order to develop the Russian economy
working class not capitalist class.
Europa Conventus Delenda Est
If a revolutionary movement had succeeded in establishing itself in any one of the advanced capitalist countries in the period after WW1 (and there were several opportunities) - then the socialist government in that country could have provided assistance to Russia in terms of expertise, finance, planning, manpower, democratisation etc to help the development of the Russian economy and thereby increase the percentage of working class people in Russia as a proportion of the overall population and provide tangible benefits in an economic sense. Socialism is internationalist and part of its objective is to develop international solidatiy among working class people.
The major problem with the USSR is that it was organised along imperialist grounds. You can't free people by denying their sovereignty.If a revolutionary movement had succeeded in establishing itself in any one of the advanced capitalist countries in the period after WW1 (and there were several opportunities) - then the socialist government in that country could have provided assistance to Russia in terms of expertise, finance, planning, manpower, democratisation etc to help the development of the Russian economy and thereby increase the percentage of working class people in Russia as a proportion of the overall population and provide tangible benefits in an economic sense. Socialism is internationalist and part of its objective is to develop international solidatiy among working class people.
"John Bull has got his hand down your pants and his fist around your bollox and you can't see it."
I will have to correct you here DOD. Prior to Stalinism gaining control the Bolsheviks actually facilitated the independence of the Ukraine.
The Stalinist interventionist strategy post-1923 was primarily designed to prevent workers revolution rather than imperialist expansion. Post WW2 Soviet control over Eastern Europe resulted from needing to control the workers movement and prevent the establishment of democratic socialism. The CP's had built up a lot of credibility with the working class as a result of their role in the resistance to the nazis and used it to take prominent positions that they then used to control and limit the moves towards aocialist revolution. Similarly in the West the CP's played a role of stabilising bourgeois rule and preventing the workers movement moving in the direction of socialist revolution.
Subsequent Stalinist regimes that were established, like Cuba, were originally movement of national liberation of sorts. Castro, for example, initially tried to come to an arrangement with the Americans and only sought accomodation with the USSR when the USA rebuked him.
The entire basis of the USSR's foreign policy was not imperialist expansion but the prevention of workers revolution. Stalinism was just as threatened by a successful workers revolution as was capitalism.
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Stalinist regimes that were established, like Cuba,
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Didn't stop the SP exploiting Che's anniversary! If only Stalin had been more photogenic you could have his photo on posters too.
BTW, I note you completely ignore my point regarding the construction of "Stalinism" by Lenin and trotsky. Which you are correct to do as the evidence is irrefutable.
PS. DOD, the ultra leftists I refer to are those Venezuelan equivalents of the SP and SWP who called for a No vote on the basis that only their tiny sects have the ability to "lead" the working class. Placing themselves "objectively" (another word they are fond of) on the same side as the Venezuelan extreme right
Che had actually rejected Stalinism following his trip to Russia in the early 196Os.
Your evidence is a joke and doesnt warrant reply.
Of course you have demonstrated such a remarkable ability to research the SPs views, its a pity you didnt do it right.PS. DOD, the ultra leftists I refer to are those Venezuelan equivalents of the SP and SWP who called for a No vote on the basis that only their tiny sects have the ability to "lead" the working class. Placing themselves "objectively" (another word they are fond of) on the same side as the Venezuelan extreme right
Your evidence is a joke and doesnt warrant reply.
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You can't reply because history proves that your excuses for Bolshevism are a joke. Lenin and Trotsky overturned democratic elections won by other left wing parties, then banned them and murdered their leaders! They then abolished elections, set up labour camps, executed people without trial, banned all non Bolshevik parties and gatherings, banned religion, banned trade unions and allowed prisoners to be tortured.The only reason Trotsky hated Stalin was that Stalin got rid of him. Had he not Trotsky would have been in charge of the very same system. Indeed Stalin adopted Trotsky's policy on collectivisation of agriculture which was the casue of even more deaths than the outright murder of opponents.
As I said, anyone excuse all that or thinks that it will be different the next time is no better than an apologist for Nazism.
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