LOL at gall of Green Party supporter saying thisOriginally Posted by pluralist
No, it wouldn't. It would absolutely destroy SF, electorally. I couldn't off the top of my head, think of a worst strategy for SF. Going in with a bunch of soft-left Ranelagh champagne-socalist social democrats, with a history of hostility to Irish Republicanism, is the last thing your party should do.
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Go on. ExplainLOL at gall of Green Party supporter saying thisNo, it wouldn't. It would absolutely destroy SF, electorally. I couldn't off the top of my head, think of a worst strategy for SF. Going in with a bunch of soft-left Ranelagh champagne-socalist social democrats, with a history of hostility to Irish Republicanism, is the last thing your party should do.
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Unrealistic, Factual. Labour would be making a fatal mistake doing that. It would cost it most FF transfers and most FG transfers because neither would transfer to Labour if the beneficiaries would be SF.Very good for Sinn Féin and good for Labour - maximizing the potential for left wing politics.
Would be great if Labour and SF pledged to enter the next government ONLY as a pair--on a left wing ticket.
SF might benefit from Labour transfers, but Labour would be committing political suicide. What Labour would gain from SF transfers would tiny compared to what it would lose from transfers from everyone else. So it would cost Labour seats.
A Labour-SF pact would I suspect boost SF but damage Labour.
LOL at gall of Green Party supporter saying thisNo, it wouldn't. It would absolutely destroy SF, electorally. I couldn't off the top of my head, think of a worst strategy for SF. Going in with a bunch of soft-left Ranelagh champagne-socalist social democrats, with a history of hostility to Irish Republicanism, is the last thing your party should do.
Seems the Green Party supporter knows what he/she is actually talking about.
I think factual finds the idea of a green sneering at Labour for being "soft-left ranelagh social democrats" a bit of a joke.
I mean, the Greens are the ultimate cappuchino type politicans. From Chemical Ciaran Cuffe (and his millions) to John Gormley and his D4 pretentions, the Greens are unlikely people to be sneering others on this kind of thing.
I was referring to pluralist's analysis of the likely electoral impact.
But come to think of it, Greens are more pleasant people as well.
I see Labour, Greens and Sinn Fein and even some of FF and FG people as allies on the left. I have met people from all these parties who I consider socialist or at least strong social democratic. So maybe we should ditch the civil war crap and start afresh.
agree with you on the green principles.
Think that the mullingar accord showed the stupidity of smaller parties doing pre election deals with bigger parties but if issues of comonality arose i think it would be foolish not to have some form of organised coperation to maximise resourses on spicific issue campaigns.
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I think co-operation is a good thing for both parties. The left in Ireland is not strong. Whatever hope it has through co-operation, it has next to no hope alone.
That's not to advocate a merger, as both parties are very different and have very different principles (and electoral catchment groups). But co-ordinated co-operation must be a positive thing.
Now that Sinn Fein have established themselves as being committed to exclusively democratic means, there is no "live" political barrier to making co-operation happen, so let's do it!
Sure some transfers (and even 1st preferences) might be lost, but some will be gained too, and in mean time it increases the capacity of both parties to hammer home messages on a whole variety of areas which successive centre-right governments in Ireland have been woefully deficient - social justice, equal opportunity, first-class healthcare for one and all, high-quality public transport, development aid and human rights, tackling the drug problem, ridding our communities of crime and anti-social-behaviour etc.
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Completely agree. Labour, SF and the GP should be natural allies. Between them they could potentially get over 40 TDs, a significant bloc in any future Dáil. And the nature of the alliance might predicate against serious losses of transfers from other parties.
Incidentally to characterise Labour as a broad party as "soft-left ranelagh social democrats" is rather entertaining. Ever met any Labour party members in working class areas? A bit different to that in my experience. Their leadership has on ocassion however not assisted in killing that image.
Mind you, to say Gormley has D4 pretentions is a bit rich too. There's a man who knows his Andre Gorz.
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