DUP to name SF informer: Sunday Times

[anmajornarthainig]

So let me get this straight. This guy Simpson is going to abuse parliamentary privelige in order to endager the life of someone who risked their life helping defend the Union that`s so important to him so that he score political points against a party with which his own party is in government?

What a guy. His contituents are very lucky to have a guy of that calibre representing them.

[Keith-M]

The DUP's Dave Simpson is considering using Commons privilege to name a senior SF member who conspired in the murder of a RUC member and later became an informer. The person involved, according to the Times is considered to be as senior as Denis Donaldson was.

If you are going to start these type of threads then at least try (though it may go against the grain) to be as factual as possible.

Simpson is considering using this much abused (by unionists anyhow) privilege to name someone ALLEGED to be an informer. Simpson ALLEGEDLY came by this information from a number of ALLEGED ex RUC members.

SF/IRA supporters are more than happy to believe (and repeat) alleged stories of collusion when it comes to loyalists and the RUC and use then as a basis for calls for public inquiries. "What's good for the goose...."

Nothing exists to suggest a senior SF member conspired in anything or that anyone agreed to become anything other than a rather vague story based on an DUP claim.

It is well know that the RUC had moles with the SF//IRA organisation, some in very senior possitions. It is nieve to believe that these people just disappeared off the scene.

Simpson is using parliamentary privelege and if SF/IRA don't like it they can rebutt it in the HoC.

[PatMcL]

What is good for the goose happened in Mt Vernon where the RUC were exposed as nothing more than mass murderers. Given that is only one small part of North Belfast the scale of their terror is huge.

It is well known that the RUC murdered and lied throughout 30 years of violence it is naive to believe that these people would now be interested in telling the truth.

It is also well known that the DUP leader himself used this same privilege to smear the Reavey family in Sth Armagh. When challenged to repeat his allegations outside the HoC, in a typically cowardly respons the DUP leader refused. The HET even apologised to the Reavey family for the lies spread about the families by the RUC, FAIR and the DUP.

Gotta try better son.

[Keith-M]

Gotta try better son.

Would you like to try and address the points I made, rather than going off on a completly irrelevant rant?

[kerrynorth]

The DUP's Dave Simpson is considering using Commons privilege to name a senior SF member who conspired in the murder of a RUC member and later became an informer. The person involved, according to the Times is considered to be as senior as Denis Donaldson was.

If you are going to start these type of threads then at least try (though it may go against the grain) to be as factual as possible.

Simpson is considering using this much abused (by unionists anyhow) privilege to name someone ALLEGED to be an informer. Simpson ALLEGEDLY came by this information from a number of ALLEGED ex RUC members.
Nothing exists to suggest a senior SF member conspired in anything or that anyone agreed to become anything other than a rather vague story based on an DUP claim.

As usual these Liam Clarke stories rely on 'sources' of one type or another. But then again some fools buy into any old rubbish.

If the DUP have any allegations or these or any other ex RUC members have anything to say I simply say bring it on. Despite the efforts of newly appointed Senators, among others, the call for investigations and the truth around the involvelment of RUC and British Army members in controlling loyalist killers will not go away. This rather crude attempt by the DUP to stifle these calls will not work.

Informers did do damage to the republican movement, but hat damage ended with the ceasefire. The battle to hold those in the RUC and British Army to account for their actions is only in its infancy and will continue until those who controlled the UDA and UVF are held publicly to account.

The report into the Mt Vernon UVF and the virtual control of that murderous gang by the RUC shows the scale of the work that needs to be done. The reaction of senior RUC men and the old Police Federation is an indicator that at long last threse people are starting to sleep very uneasily in their beds.
So by all means the RUC can attempt to use the Clarkes and the Simpsons of this world. At least it is progress in having their UDA and UVF colleagues putting a bullet into a taxi drivers head

There is no mention of ALLEGED in the article as nobody is actually identified and I never heard SF/IRA refer to those that they summarily executed as informers as ALLEGED informers.

[raff]

The DUP's Dave Simpson is considering using Commons privilege to name a senior SF member who conspired in the murder of a RUC member and later became an informer. The person involved, according to the Times is considered to be as senior as Denis Donaldson was.

It would be more surprising if someone in PSF wasn't an informer.

Hey factual, how come when I make a smart arse comment about PSF you can respond, but when I ask you questions about PSF policy you can't?

[Insider2007]

The DUP's Dave Simpson is considering using Commons privilege to name a senior SF member who conspired in the murder of a RUC member and later became an informer. The person involved, according to the Times is considered to be as senior as Denis Donaldson was.

It would be more surprising if someone in PSF wasn't an informer.

Hey factual, how come when I make a smart arse comment about PSF you can respond, but when I ask you questions about PSF policy you can't?

Because your comment was ridiculous and childish.

[Skin]

The DUP's Dave Simpson is considering using Commons privilege to name a senior SF member who conspired in the murder of a RUC member and later became an informer. The person involved, according to the Times is considered to be as senior as Denis Donaldson was.

So what!
Ian Paisley sits in government with a former commander of the IRA, what is the point of this?

[PatMcL]

Gotta try better son.

Would you like to try and address the points I made, rather than going off on a completly irrelevant rant?

There is nothing alleged about the RUC collusion in MT Vernon. Despite senior RUC members refusing to give evidence to the enquiry collusion was established.
From what has emerged from the Steven Enquiry RUC and British Army collusion has been established. That is not the invention of SF.

Re the point on making statements under privilege. As I stated the DUP leader made lying statements under privilege. He was challenged to make them to facilitate legal action. The coward refused.


Choose to ignore the points if you like, you assertions have been challenged and shoewn to be bogus.

[PatMcL]

The DUP's Dave Simpson is considering using Commons privilege to name a senior SF member who conspired in the murder of a RUC member and later became an informer. The person involved, according to the Times is considered to be as senior as Denis Donaldson was.

If you are going to start these type of threads then at least try (though it may go against the grain) to be as factual as possible.

Simpson is considering using this much abused (by unionists anyhow) privilege to name someone ALLEGED to be an informer. Simpson ALLEGEDLY came by this information from a number of ALLEGED ex RUC members.
Nothing exists to suggest a senior SF member conspired in anything or that anyone agreed to become anything other than a rather vague story based on an DUP claim.

As usual these Liam Clarke stories rely on 'sources' of one type or another. But then again some fools buy into any old rubbish.

If the DUP have any allegations or these or any other ex RUC members have anything to say I simply say bring it on. Despite the efforts of newly appointed Senators, among others, the call for investigations and the truth around the involvelment of RUC and British Army members in controlling loyalist killers will not go away. This rather crude attempt by the DUP to stifle these calls will not work.

Informers did do damage to the republican movement, but hat damage ended with the ceasefire. The battle to hold those in the RUC and British Army to account for their actions is only in its infancy and will continue until those who controlled the UDA and UVF are held publicly to account.

The report into the Mt Vernon UVF and the virtual control of that murderous gang by the RUC shows the scale of the work that needs to be done. The reaction of senior RUC men and the old Police Federation is an indicator that at long last threse people are starting to sleep very uneasily in their beds.
So by all means the RUC can attempt to use the Clarkes and the Simpsons of this world. At least it is progress in having their UDA and UVF colleagues putting a bullet into a taxi drivers head

There is no mention of ALLEGED in the article as nobody is actually identified and I never heard SF/IRA refer to those that they summarily executed as informers as ALLEGED informers.

My god are you even capable of reading. Allegation and alleged are used in the first two paragraphs.

Your intro speaks of someone being idenitied in a definitive tone. Therefore it is entirely false and you are dishonest.