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    Sinn Fein / IRA / MI5

    A number of writers on this website are from the noble Nationalist tradition. Some are a more militant kind of Nationalist and maybe they might help me understand something.

    John Drennan in the Sunday Independent has been regularly writing in his column, tongue in cheek perhaps, referring to "Sinn Fein / MI5". But as we know, many a true word is spoken in jest.

    Merle Haggard has posted a column today on how the IRA were not defeated and how professional an organisation it was -as viewed by the British.
    All well and good. But what bothers me is how arch enemies of the IRA such as MI5 can build a huge a £40million building in the heart of Belfast. How can MI5 agents enter and leave this building knowing they are being watched by many of the hard core Republican brotherhood.

    Unless of course, that is, the old IRA boys have been somehow folded into MI5. Ah yes, remember Sinn Fein/British Agent Denis Donaldson assassinated in Donegal in the Irish Republic. When was the last time we heard of how that investigation was progressing? We wont. MI5 in Belfast means MI5 in the Republic. How can all this be tolerated on the IRAs doorsteps? If we think of it this way, what to do with all those dedicated brains and hitmen of the IRA? How can they keep themselves occupied in peacetime?

    How can the Rev Ian "sup the devil's buttermilk" and be all buddy buddy with Martin McGuinness all of a sudden. Has Ian been briefed now that SF have been sufficiently infiltrated to the extent they are working with Her Majesty's Assassins?

    Is just me having impure thoughts?

    Help me anyone?
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    1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?

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    Re: Sinn Fein / IRA / MI5

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier
    A number of writers on this website are from the noble Nationalist tradition. Some are a more militant kind of Nationalist and maybe they might help me understand something.

    John Drennan in the Sunday Independent has been regularly writing in his column, tongue in cheek perhaps, referring to "Sinn Fein / MI5". But as we know, many a true word is spoken in jest.

    Merle Haggard has posted a column today on how the IRA were not defeated and how professional an organisation it was -as viewed by the British.
    All well and good. But what bothers me is how arch enemies of the IRA such as MI5 can build a huge a £40million building in the heart of Belfast. How can MI5 agents enter and leave this building knowing they are being watched by many of the hard core Republican brotherhood.

    Unless of course, that is, the old IRA boys have been somehow folded into MI5. Ah yes, remember Sinn Fein/British Agent Denis Donaldson assassinated in Donegal in the Irish Republic. When was the last time we heard of how that investigation was progressing? We wont. MI5 in Belfast means MI5 in the Republic. How can all this be tolerated on the IRAs doorsteps? If we think of it this way, what to do with all those dedicated brains and hitmen of the IRA? How can they keep themselves occupied in peacetime?

    How can the Rev Ian "sup the devil's buttermilk" and be all buddy buddy with Martin McGuinness all of a sudden. Has Ian been briefed now that SF have been sufficiently infiltrated to the extent they are working with Her Majesty's Assassins?

    Is just me having impure thoughts?

    Help me anyone?
    i dont know what drugs you are on but i posted no such column . I made a comment at the very end of one wth the point of view that to all intents and purposes the IRA were defeated by the British.

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    Merle, I refer to the link you put up from the BBC

    *It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters". It concedes for the first time that it did not win the battle against the IRA - but claims to have "shown the IRA that it could not achieve its ends through violence". *

    Where am I factually incorrect?
    No drugs involved except a drug called the search for truth. I find it hard to understand how our Northern Brethern can tolerate MI5 under their noses. Martin Ingrams revelations of Sinn Feins infiltration has a strong ring of truth to it.

    I will concede that I admire the courage of SF down south in not accepting the normalisation of partition.
    Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
    Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But Conscience asks the question - is it right?
    And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;but one must take it simply because it is right. -MLK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier
    Merle, I refer to the link you put up from the BBC

    *It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters". It concedes for the first time that it did not win the battle against the IRA - but claims to have "shown the IRA that it could not achieve its ends through violence". *

    Where am I factually incorrect?
    No drugs involved except a drug called the search for truth. I find it hard to understand how our Northern Brethern can tolerate MI5 under their noses. Martin Ingrams revelations of Sinn Feins infiltration has a strong ring of truth to it.

    I will concede that I admire the courage of SF down south in not accepting the normalisation of partition.
    Methinks, your'e one confused character....

    Are U sure your'e not already working for MI5

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    By the way Rock of Cashel: Any chance of posting a intelligent response rather than exposing an insecurity in yourself perhaps?

    IRA Ceasefire, Sinn Fein in Talks, Deal Struck, MI5 Builds in Belfast, DUP in Bed with Sinn Feinn. Does any of this not seem abnormal to you?
    Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
    Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But Conscience asks the question - is it right?
    And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;but one must take it simply because it is right. -MLK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier
    IRA Ceasefire, Sinn Fein in Talks, Deal Struck, MI5 Builds in Belfast, DUP in Bed with Sinn Feinn. Does any of this not seem abnormal to you?
    Abnormal. You're just sooo clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conuil
    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier
    Merle, I refer to the link you put up from the BBC

    *It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters". It concedes for the first time that it did not win the battle against the IRA - but claims to have "shown the IRA that it could not achieve its ends through violence". *

    Where am I factually incorrect?
    No drugs involved except a drug called the search for truth. I find it hard to understand how our Northern Brethern can tolerate MI5 under their noses. Martin Ingrams revelations of Sinn Feins infiltration has a strong ring of truth to it.

    I will concede that I admire the courage of SF down south in not accepting the normalisation of partition.
    Methinks, your'e one confused character....

    Are U sure your'e not already working for MI5

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    Merle.

    I just referred to your link, thats all.

    Of course I'm a character and I am confused. MI5 wouldn't have me. I just don't fully understand the present political logic in the statelet. I see Denis Donaldson too was confused. I like to know who killed him and why? Id like to know what is being done to expose who did it. This is a 26 county issue because the assassination was in that jurisdiction. The fact he was a senior political figure is also a factor in this debate.

    I think of peace talks in an Al Pacino Film after a lot of blood had been spilt between feuding gangs..."let's not get bogged down about who killed who"
    Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
    Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But Conscience asks the question - is it right?
    And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;but one must take it simply because it is right. -MLK

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    Mac - Knew you'd troll in. But as I can't see you're self loathing little bile filled rant, it matters not.
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