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    Quote Originally Posted by edwin View Post
    Apparently voting yes to Lisbon meant we were all to be conscripted into an EU army and that hasn't happened yet either. SF in govt in the 6 counties was meant to be a new start yet there are lots of cutbacks, no Irish language act, crony carve ups with the DUP etc.
    Yeahj, there were some stupid people on the No side in Lisbon, as there were on the Yes side-nothing to do with SF though.

    Your second point is an opinion and thats fair enough, but the people in the 6 counties did re-elect a SF/DUP led assembly very comfortably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lain2016 View Post
    The peace process?
    Illogical, Captain!

    Or are SF principles to be put aside in favor of keeping the Assembly alive? Thereby doing Britains work for them?


    (Unification is the only long term solution. The only one that makes long term economic sense, we need to stop this crazy dependency culture in Ulster and in the Republic re: the EU and reach a deal with Unionism, whatever it takes. Now, rant over!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astral Peaks View Post
    Illogical, Captain!

    Or are SF principles to be put aside in favor of keeping the Assembly alive? Thereby doing Britains work for them?
    For SF, creating a working Assembly is the alternative to British rule; enhancing north-south bodies is an embryo UI providing the best opportunity for a UI that we have had since 1920.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwin View Post
    Apparently voting yes to Lisbon meant we were all to be conscripted into an EU army and that hasn't happened yet either.
    "Apparently voting yes to Lisbon meant" workers' jobs would be protected, that we could continue to prosper within a successful single-currency area, that democracy within the EU would be strengthened etc etc etc. SF were clearly correct to see all of that as delusional nonsense. In fact, their analyses of what would have been best for Ireland at each of the past few EU referenda have been shown by events to have been far shrewder than that of the 'Big' Three parties you apparently prefer.

    SF in govt in the 6 counties was meant to be a new start yet there are lots of cutbacks, no Irish language act, crony carve ups with the DUP etc.
    Wow, "cutbacks" in a time of stringing reductions in tax-payer funding? Weird, huh? Thing is, the cutbacks which are only getting under way here are far worse than have been imposed north of the border. You have conveniently ignored the context of SF's mandatory role in a power-sharing executive, within which they share power with right-wing unionist parties for the purpose of consolidating the compromise between the two traditions, one arrived at after several centuries of conflict. If they jumped ship over cuts that they have lessened they'd be excoriated for threatening the peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCoise2 View Post
    Believe it or not the constitutional status of las mlavinas really doesnt cause too much discussion in SF
    neither does the constitutional status of the Irish nation either , since it was settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lain2016 View Post
    For SF, creating a working Assembly is the alternative to British rule;
    it is British rule , except its devolved British rule as opposed to direct British rule . The British at westminster have historically hated being seen as a colonial parliament and have much preferred devolved rule as an objective for almost a century now . While from their very inception the provisionals saw their forcing the British to rule in Ireland from westminster as a tactical victory in their struggle against occupation .

    If you look at the assembly buildings youll clearly notice the very large union jacks fluttering either side of a big statue of Britannia. Theyre quite significant .

    enhancing north-south bodies is an embryo UI providing the best opportunity for a UI that we have had since 1920
    no it isnt . If that were true then we also have to assume the east-west bodies , such as the council of the British isles and the British -Irish parliamentary body - that run parallel to the north south ones are an embryo for a return of the southern state into the united kingdom .

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    You forgot the first rule of Spin Fail- the Brits are always wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezza View Post
    You forgot the first rule of Spin Fail- the Brits are always wrong.
    "Spin Fail"?

    A career awaits in the comedy dept of RTE. You're probably already on the books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard View Post
    neither does the constitutional status of the Irish nation either , since it was settled.
    pfft, as you have any idea

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