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    Why do Sinn Fein betray their core constituency?

    Why do Sinn Fein betray their core constituency by supporting mass immigration?

    The winners from mass immigration are big business that gets cheap labour and rents out property, and professionals that dont compete wth immigrants but employ their services. The losers are the unskilled and semi-skilled, that do compete with immigrants and rent their homes, SF's core constituency.

    Why are Sinn Fein therefore the friends of the cause of the political right?

    And why are the political right , supportive of the free movement of goods and capital, the only ones that question immigration, not Sinn Fein?
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    cos at the end of the day until very recently SF was a one trick pony, the North. its only in recent times you hear them on wider range of topics, to be honest (though i know this is get scoffed at) they are still trying to figure out where they stand in the general political spectrum so will be contraticting themselves for some time to come yet until they really establish positions that are thought out
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbob1972
    cos at the end of the day until very recently SF was a one trick pony, the North.
    Incisive Dr Bob! Guess this one will have to be escalated up to SFHQ.
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    Sinn Féin is a broad party with a progressive left wing agenda based around equality and labour values.
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    I thought the really big winners from immigration were the human beings who got away from whatever miserable place they were living in and came here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factual
    Sinn Féin is a broad party with a progressive left wing agenda based around equality and labour values.
    Spare us the slogans factual (Think about it overnight)
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbob1972
    spectrum so will be contraticting themselves for some time to come yet until they really establish positions that are thought out
    How are they contradicting themselves ?No ideological confusion in being against the racism of the northern state(although 'sectarianism' was the preferred label in common use there) and being anti racist and pro equality in a wider sense.That's where SF's attitude to immigrants comes from and it's entirely consistent with their political history and experience.The 'mass immigration and SF' thing on the other hand is for trolls..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin
    Quote Originally Posted by drbob1972
    spectrum so will be contraticting themselves for some time to come yet until they really establish positions that are thought out
    How are they contradicting themselves ?No ideological confusion in being against the racism of the northern state(although 'sectarianism' was the preferred label in common use there) and being anti racist and pro equality in a wider sense.That's where SF's attitude to immigrants comes from and it's entirely consistent with their political history and experience.The 'mass immigration and SF' thing on the other hand is for trolls..
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    Re: Why do Sinn Fein betray their core constituency?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers
    Why do Sinn Fein betray their core constituency by supporting mass immigration?

    The winners from mass immigration are big business that gets cheap labour and rents out property, and professionals that dont compete wth immigrants but employ their services. The losers are the unskilled and semi-skilled, that do compete with immigrants and rent their homes, SF's core constituency.

    Why are Sinn Fein therefore the friends of the cause of the political right?

    And why are the political right , supportive of the free movement of goods and capital, the only ones that question immigration, not Sinn Fein?
    The phrase "mass immigration" is a bit overused in my opinion. Certainly over the last ten years there has been a large influx of immigrants but this follows after longer periods of high emigration from this country.

    Yes there is an issue with employers using immigrants for cheap labour but that is not a valid reason to stop immigration but rather a reason to create more labour inspectors (to best of my knowledge there are more dog inspectors in Ireland) to oversee the implementation of the minimum wage and eradicate exploitation.

    Immigration should be controlled on the basis of ecomonic and social need. Currently Ireland is creating jobs at a rate faster than the national population can cope with, if these jobs are not filled by immigrants it will put upward pressure on wages creating high(er) rates of inflation and we will all lose.

    To say that unskilled workers will lose is not really accurate. The economy is at full employement, there are jobs for unskilled workers both foreign and domestic. What needs to be done is to expose and penalise the employers who exploit low paid workers (foreign and domestic) for increased profit.

    Also I would have to disagree that there are no professionals competing with immigrants, that is not the case. There are thousands of highly skilled workers in this country now from abroad, but because there is plenty of work and the wages are good it is not as obvious.

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    Re: Why do Sinn Fein betray their core constituency?

    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Towers
    Why do Sinn Fein betray their core constituency by supporting mass immigration?

    The winners from mass immigration are big business that gets cheap labour and rents out property, and professionals that dont compete wth immigrants but employ their services. The losers are the unskilled and semi-skilled, that do compete with immigrants and rent their homes, SF's core constituency.

    Why are Sinn Fein therefore the friends of the cause of the political right?

    And why are the political right , supportive of the free movement of goods and capital, the only ones that question immigration, not Sinn Fein?
    In the first place, the group you are refering to are not Sinn Féin, but the Sticky renegades who were expelled from Sinn Féin in 1986.

    In the second place, your idea of the Neo-Sticky core constituency is not the core constituency they want to have. You will have noticed that the likes of Nicky Kehoe, who spend years building up support and came within a hundred votes of a seat in the last election, have been shafted for the likes of Mary Lou and Killian Ford, who are designed to appeal to exactly the kind of voter who couldnt imagine how to live any more without their five euro an hour child minders and house cleaners - not to mind the gombeen men on the building sites who fire a foreign worker if he falls and breaks his ribs (as happened to someone I know only two weeks ago.)

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