Martin McGuinness calls on Brady to resign

[YoungLiberal]

Would you agree his organisation did. Then we can talk.

Would you, on the same basis that any members of the NATO/Russian/Chinese armies are also child murderers as their respective organisations have also killed children.

Don't be a retard. Cop on.

[YoungLiberal]

Relax, what's the worst that can happen? P.ie being sued? Raises the question as to why he's avoided ever bringing any such cases before now, doesn't it?

There's countless people with ruined lives who'd feel a new sense of purpose if the bauld Martin ever grew himself a pair and brought such a case. So what's been stopping him do you think?

Maybe he couldn't be bothered, on the basis that one's reputation isn't really affected by lunatic assertions by random freaks on the internet. Then again, maybe he will sue P.ie.

[JSLeFanu]

Maybe he couldn't be bothered, on the basis that one's reputation isn't really affected by lunatic assertions by random freaks on the internet. Then again, maybe he will sue P.ie.

If I were the bauld Martin I'd be more concerned by the random freaks who rush to his defence on the Internet.

In any case it's not just the Internet is it? Martin has had his reputation, such as it is, dragged through the mud on every medium there is and still not a peep out of him. It's enough to make anyone, anyone with a functioning brain, wonder why he hasn't cleaned up in the courts by now......unless...?

[Murph]

Meanwhile Thomas Mor or is it beag, should maybe tell us if he thinks the cardinal should resign or not?

Or maybe that little detail- is not very important. The Deputy First who could be the First Minister after the next election, knows how important it is, as Brendan Smiths rape victims resides on both sides of the border.

Perhaps Thomas Beag's question should have been, why didnt his Taioseach grow a pair and call on the cardinal to step down?

[eamonne]

I think the main point if you can not see the hypocrisy of martin guinness calling for cardinal to resign for not reporting to the police something he became aware of in 1975 while martin in that period was a senior member of the IRA who ordered bombings, shooting of informers , assasation of protestants around the border. All this is undeniable and martin and gerry gave out medals to the guys for carrying it out.

THe cardinal operated within the system at the time when everybody was failing to handle these things properly from government ,police ,social l workers,parents etc but he did not commit the crime or order it. Maybe he should resign but i think everyone is judging it by the standards and knowledge we have today..at that time nobody in society dealt with it
properly.

I am sure if martin gave us the dirty detail of what he was involved in he would not be sitting as such a pious catholic grandfather.

I was brought up as a nationalist/republican background so i understand the background but sometimes the hypocrisy of sinn fein is amazing.

They are against crime but were funded by robberies in the south ..
for Europe but never promoted a yes vote to any european constitutional amendment.

They speak out against militarism ..yet they were guys with the private army for a long time.

We have come along way and i respect adams/mc guiness for leading their people out of the dark but looking back they must realise that a lot of what
they did was pointless and wrong.

[John Biffo]

I think the main point if you can not see the hypocrisy of martin guinness calling for cardinal to resign for not reporting to the police something he became aware of in 1975 while martin in that period was a senior member of the IRA who ordered bombings, shooting of informers , assasation of protestants around the border. All this is undeniable and martin and gerry gave out medals to the guys for carrying it out.

THe cardinal operated within the system at the time when everybody was failing to handle these things properly from government ,police ,social l workers,parents etc but he did not commit the crime or order it. Maybe he should resign but i think everyone is judging it by the standards and knowledge we have today..at that time nobody in society dealt with it
properly.

I am sure if martin gave us the dirty detail of what he was involved in he would not be sitting as such a pious catholic grandfather.

I was brought up as a nationalist/republican background so i understand the background but sometimes the hypocrisy of sinn fein is amazing.

They are against crime but were funded by robberies in the south ..
for Europe but never promoted a yes vote to any european constitutional amendment.

They speak out against militarism ..yet they were guys with the private army for a long time.

We have come along way and i respect adams/mc guiness for leading their people out of the dark but looking back they must realise that a lot of what
they did was pointless and wrong.

That sums it all up perfectly.

Of course the bar room patriots cannot think that clearly.

Excellent post.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

Did same not happen with Hitler, he was elected by popular vote

Godwin's Law invoked and it only took until post number 8. Even the trolling is not up to much these days.

[Aindriu]

Look, no need to be sarcastic. He has openly admitted membership of the IRA. However, your post wrote that he had "actually killed children". That is untrue. Are you willing to accept that ?

The organisation that he was a top leader in did though didn't it? He has blood of innocents on his hands even if he didn't pull the trigger or press the button,

[LDF]

The organisation that he was a top leader in did though didn't it? He has blood of innocents on his hands even if he didn't pull the trigger or press the button,

I remember watching a programme on ITV in the early 90's - World in Action or The Cook Report.

It concerned a Derry man who fled NI after being threatened by the provos. In the programme this chap's mother was interviewed. She described how Martin McGuinness came to her house one day and guaranteed her that her son would be safe if he came home. She said that McGuinness got down on this knees in front of her and implored her to trust him. The lad came home a couple of weeks later and was shot dead.

I don't recall McGuinness suing the programme makers at the time. McGuinness may have transformed himself from a terrorist leader to an armani-wearing chuckle brother but he hasn't transformed himself enough to sit in judgement of others.

[Aindriu]

I remember watching a programme on ITV in the early 90's - World in Action or The Cook Report.

It concerned a Derry man who fled NI after being threatened by the provos. In the programme this chap's mother was interviewed. She described how Martin McGuinness came to her house one day and guaranteed her that her son would be safe if he came home. She said that McGuinness got down on this knees in front of her and implored her to trust him. The lad came home a couple of weeks later and was shot dead.

I don't recall McGuinness suing the programme makers at the time. McGuinness may have transformed himself from a terrorist leader to an armani-wearing chuckle brother but he hasn't transformed himself enough to sit in judgement of others.

I watched it too. He was leader of the Derry IRA when yer man Patsy Gillespie was blown up in a proxy bomb as well. The callous barstewards detonated it by remote control as he pulled up at the checkpoint. His wife had nothing of him to bury as his body was vaporised by the blast.