Killian Forde confirms to Politics.ie that he has resigned from Sinn Fein

[disgruntledcitizen]

Fair enough as long as they are working class blacks, asians, gays and disabled people. In case you didnt notice there is a class war in this city and the proles are being battered.

PSF in Dublin pushed out its radical working class wing which became Eirigi and than pushed out Christie Burke. So yes Killian's background his very important.

so its ok for SF to have a bias towards working class people regardless of whether they are the best candidates or not ? best get rid of MLM then as well as Arthur Morgan surely ? neither of these two are even vaguely working class, in fact i don't think any of SF's 4 TD's would count as working class

[SevenStars]

so its ok for SF to have a bias towards working class people regardless of whether they are the best candidates or not ? best get rid of MLM then as well as Arthur Morgan surely ? neither of these two are even vaguely working class, in fact i don't think any of SF's 4 TD's would count as working class

To be honest I stopped caring about PSF after the Provos surrendured guns and other weaponary paid for with money given them to secure Irish Freedom and started hating them after Martin Mc Guiness called Irish rebels traitors for killing members of the occupation forces...

But other classes are either potential or actual enemnies so yes....I would only join a party which had a bias towards my class and a suspicion of other ones.

[disgruntledcitizen]

But other classes are either potential or actual enemnies so yes....I would only join a party which had a bias towards my class and a suspicion of other ones.

any other criteria required ? catholic only, whites, irish only, no immigrants ? women ?
once you start excluding and biasing against others then your on the slippery slope to extremism

[SevenStars]

any other criteria required ? catholic only, whites, irish only, no immigrants ? women ?
once you start excluding and biasing against others then your on the slippery slope to extremism

As the conversitive philospher Carl Schmitt said you dont always choose the enemny most of the time the enemny chooses you.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

The odd thing about all of this is that if the people leaving SF were all of a type then the party could adopt one approach to counteract the problem. Thing is they're not, Christ Burke is the classic old stager, long term activist, Killian Forde is in some sense the smart young whipper-snapper that was being groomed for big times, Louise Minihan appeared to be one of the family friendly steady party stalwart bread and butter type local reps. When the people leaving are such a diverse bunch, and the common factor is SF then the problem lies more than likely with SF not them.

Thus my comments on the broad church that was SF in Dublin. What held all of these people under one roof, was it the belief and adherence to armed struggle?

Some people on this thread have argued that SF have moved too far away from its traditional position and support base. According to this view the party has been used by careerists and Johnny come latelys in order to advance personal positions.
Yet others have argued that SF need to adopt a much more realistic (in their terms) approach to policies and prospective candidates. This argument is that SF have to go through a fundamental change in order to attract talented new blood.

[SevenStars]

any other criteria required ? catholic only, whites, irish only, no immigrants ? women ?
once you start excluding and biasing against others then your on the slippery slope to extremism

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtm82b2zpws"]YouTube- Ian Bone Class War Conference 1985[/ame]

[Pat Mc Larnon]

I got my hands on a document today that was sent to the officer board of Dublin SF after the June elections, and did make a set of proposals. From what I can determine, few if any of them have been acted upon, and no response was provided to the author.

I've quoted those recommendations and given my own brief analysis as an outsider looking in on a post entitled Sinn Féin problems in Dublin

I read the document and to be honest there is little in it that is particularly earth shattering. The points on whether to hibernate cumanns and set sights on 5 constituencies etc are points I would be very much against.

[disgruntledcitizen]

YouTube- Ian Bone Class War Conference 1985

stopped listening after two minutes of idiotic and senseless rambling so no idea what point you were trying to make with the clip

[SevenStars]

stopped listening after two minutes of idiotic and senseless rambling so no idea what point you were trying to make with the clip

My point exactly.

Some things there is absolutely no point talking about.

[stretchneil]

I read the document and to be honest there is little in it that is particularly earth shattering. The points on whether to hibernate cumanns and set sights on 5 constituencies etc are points I would be very much against.

I would have thought the allegations that unqualified staff are being recruited without public advertisement, and that the national officer board needs to be challenged, would be of some interest.

That said, I just tried to provide the information - it's entirely up to SF members to decide what they make of it - I would have thought it worthy of debate at least.