Killian Forde confirms to Politics.ie that he has resigned from Sinn Fein

[factual]

To an extent that's true. But taken too far, it leads to politicians becoming out of touch with the people who they are meant to represent e.g. on immigration - remember SF and Labour's stance in the Citizenship Referendum and how their supporters actually voted?. In Ireland's case, it has also resulted in the decline of the Dail as a chamber that holds the govt to account. Both developments bode ill for democracy in this country.

FutureTaoiseach sometimes, in politics, when you have strong values, values you believe in, that are at your core such as equality, it is important to take a lead on an issue and aim to convince and persuade others of your point of view.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

Unfortunately we have very little meat on the bones. If he was to state 'I proposed this to ...' and 'I suggested this' was the way forward then it is possible to weigh up what he has been saying against an alternative view.

There is no doubt that the broad church that was Dublin SF has unravelled with people moving on to alternative parties or cliques. As the party has stalled and in fact gone backwards in Dublin those people who joined the party post GFA (while the party was on the way up) now appear not to have the stomach to lead the reinvigoration that the party in Dublin needs.

[Simply]

He's in the wrong party or SF is the wrong party for the politically and personally ambitious ? 'Careerism' is an outdated charge in the new era SF find themselves in,it's a bit more serious to be irrelevant..

[David Cochrane]

It's pretty obvious there will be a media event tomorrow where it will be announced "officially". Senior Labour people have confirmed to me that it's happening, and when party staff start posting comments welcoming it, I think you can be pretty sure it's happening!

[Scribbler]

Obviously enough the news is pretty busy with weather etc but there hasn't even been a report on it at IT, RTE, Indo etc which is rather unusual I would think unless everyone is just gone into hibernation with snow!

The only story i found was in the herald.
Sinn Fein hit by new crisis as Forde quits - City News, National News - Herald.ie

It was on Aertel yesterday (Sat).

[Scribbler]

Time to remind you again that Fine Gael was founded by the most notorious and ruthless gunmen that would be hard to equal anywhere in the world,I will not disagree with what you say as it the truth, But to talk like that they are not on superior moral ground when you have F,G people telling us what a great man Michael Collins was, a man who was able to give orders for young men to be shot in their beds,

turdsl, you should know by now that Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and Labour always refuse to recognise their violent past. In true hypocritical fashion it is only introduced as an issue when Sinn Féin are mentioned.
Mick Collins baked cakes every Sunday, Dev liked knitting woolen jumpers and Proinsias was studying plantlife near the border in the late fifties.

[cricket]

turdsl, you should know by now that Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and Labour always refuse to recognise their violent past. In true hypocritical fashion it is only introduced as an issue when Sinn Féin are mentioned.
Mick Collins baked cakes every Sunday, Dev liked knitting woolen jumpers and Proinsias was studying plantlife near the border in the late fifties.

Scribbler , you can describe it as growing up , maturing, facing a new reality or whatever you're having yourself. It happens all the time, just look at SF.
As I said in another thread, if the reason for violence is that our forefathers did it, then those in favour should also look for the return of the practice of throwing Christians to the lions.

[Scribbler]

Scribbler , you can describe it as growing up , maturing, facing a new reality or whatever you're having yourself. It happens all the time, just look at SF.
As I said in another thread, if the reason for violence is that our forefathers did it, then those in favour should also look for the return of the practice of throwing Christians to the lions.

I was merely commenting on the hypocrisy of some FF, FG and Labour members/supporters who ignore their own parties history but will constantly attempt to smear Sinn Féin when a topic is being discussed.
I am not advocating a return to violence nor am I regretting its virtual total removal from Irish politics.

[TheHoney]

There is no doubt that the broad church that was Dublin SF has unravelled with people moving on to alternative parties or cliques. As the party has stalled and in fact gone backwards in Dublin those people who joined the party post GFA (while the party was on the way up) [COLOR="Red"][COLOR="Red"]now appear not to have the stomach to lead the reinvigoration that the party in Dublin needs.[[/COLOR]/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I suppose he will now be referred to as "unsound". According to Killian on Sam Smyth today Gerry hoped to hand over the leadership in 2006 but could'nt find anyone to give it too. maybe he had'nt the stomach for it.

[KingKane]

Unfortunately we have very little meat on the bones. If he was to state 'I proposed this to ...' and 'I suggested this' was the way forward then it is possible to weigh up what he has been saying against an alternative view.

There is no doubt that the broad church that was Dublin SF has unravelled with people moving on to alternative parties or cliques. As the party has stalled and in fact gone backwards in Dublin those people who joined the party post GFA (while the party was on the way up) now appear not to have the stomach to lead the reinvigoration that the party in Dublin needs.

The odd thing about all of this is that if the people leaving SF were all of a type then the party could adopt one approach to counteract the problem. Thing is they're not, Christ Burke is the classic old stager, long term activist, Killian Forde is in some sense the smart young whipper-snapper that was being groomed for big times, Louise Minihan appeared to be one of the family friendly steady party stalwart bread and butter type local reps. When the people leaving are such a diverse bunch, and the common factor is SF then the problem lies more than likely with SF not them.