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    Quote Originally Posted by picador View Post
    Yes, but thats not actually what he wrote on his blog. No mention of any 'demand' there.

    Why would you believe anything that he wrote on his blog ? He and his party are liars and and a protector of abusers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmrebel View Post
    Why would you believe anything that he wrote on his blog ? He and his party are liars and and a protector of abusers.
    The Tribune claims that Gerry Adams says his niece demanded the right to anonymity. When and where did he say this?

    Gerry has kept this to himself so it's a bit much to label the whole party liars and protectors of abusers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmrebel View Post
    Why would you believe anything that he wrote on his blog ? He and his party are liars and and a protector of abusers.
    In these cases I actually have a wee bit of sympathy for the party as it seems Gerry kept them in the dark too. The ordinary members must be shocked at all these revelations. Gerry is where the buck stoops, along with the other individual IRA men who helped in the cover ups in other cases, but the problem is now that elements of party leadership have made matters worse by getting involved in backing Gerry up rather than publicly standing aside while offering assistance to any person or body wishing to examine the party's role in the whole business.
    Decent hard working party members must be wondering if there is more to come out and what else they have not been told. All those many members who came in contact with Liam Adams must feel they should have been told.
    I can distinguish between not supporting S.F's present politics, these terrible case and the reality that the membership had no knowledge of them until UTV and Suzanne Breen broke the stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaly View Post
    In these cases I actually have a wee bit of sympathy for the party as it seems Gerry kept them in the dark too. The ordinary members must be shocked at all these revelations. Gerry is where the buck stoops, along with the other individual IRA men who helped in the cover ups in other cases, but the problem is now that elements of party leadership have made matters worse by getting involved in backing Gerry up rather than publicly standing aside while offering assistance to any person or body wishing to examine the party's role in the whole business.
    Decent hard working party members must be wondering if there is more to come out and what else they have not been told. All those many members who came in contact with Liam Adams must feel they should have been told.
    I can distinguish between not supporting S.F's present politics, these terrible case and the reality that the membership had no knowledge of them until UTV and Suzanne Breen broke the stories.
    I agree that putting Mary Lou McDonald up against Suzanne Breen is really stupid. She can defend Gerry's leadership but she should not have to explain his actions ot lack of them.

    As for an investigation what person or body would you have in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by picador View Post
    The Tribune claims that Gerry Adams says his niece demanded the right to anonymity. When and where did he say this?

    Gerry has kept this to himself so it's a bit much to label the whole party liars and protectors of abusers.
    Dishonest Gerry defense again Picador. The Tribune stated that Shinners, including Adams and Mary Louser have been using Áine as a human shield to avoid difficult questions. Áine expains it best:

    Áine is angry that "Mary Lou McDonald and other Sinn Féin politicians" make constant references to her. "All I hear is 'We can't address this or that question because of Áine. We have to protect Áine; she is the victim'. They don't know me so I find it hard to believe they have all this sympathy for me. I want them to stop using my name."
    Your lies are about as convincing as Dear Leader (whom you 'do not support') Picador.

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    Quote Originally Posted by picador View Post
    I agree that putting Mary Lou McDonald up against Suzanne Breen is really stupid. She can defend Gerry's leadership but she should not have to explain his actions ot lack of them.

    As for an investigation what person or body would you have in mind?
    I didn't have anyone or any group in mind specifically, simply saying that as a party they would have been better initially being more open, and even to have called for an investigation rather than closing ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Most damning of all:

    How's that most damning of all? It's clear that she somehow blames Gerry Adams for her father not being brought to justice, but is it her father she wants brought to justice or Gerry Adams vilified because he was unable, or unwilling from her perspective perhaps, to deliver the justice she wanted? That's what is not clear in Aine Tyrell's statements.

    For example, when she makes the statement that GA told her LA wanted to make up for what he'd done to her, was that GA's own opinion of LA, or was he conveying what LA had told him? Again, that's not clear.

    The complaint is made that her father was working with youth organisations, and Aine Tyrell felt GA wasn't doing enough to stop this. Yet in the ST article she said she didn't know what youth organisations and had simply heard this. I'm puzzled. If she didn't know what organisations how would she know GA didn't do enough to stop this? There's a gap here. Besides that, if her issue, as she stated, was to protect other children, and her anonymity wasn't an issue, why didn't she instruct her maternal uncle (since she felt her paternal uncle wasn't doing enough) to approach those organisations, or was he in the dark about what organisations Liam Adams was connected with also?

    Aine Tyrell had, as she'd exercised before, the option to go to the police and re-open the case, as she subsequently did. Was GA a part of the case after she re-opened it? Was he responsible for bringing her father to justice still after it had been re-opened? Clearly he wasn't. Yet, in spite of the fact the complaint was with the PSNI and Liam Adams had absconded, the focus in the UTV Insight interview remained on Gerry Adams, and now even more so in the Sunday Tribune, whose focus has clearly been on Gerry Adams.

    Is the issue that the accused in the three cases haven't been brought to justice and must be brought to justice, or is it the issue that the justice sought by the victims in the three cases is they want a pound of flesh and a pint of blood from Gerry Adams? Are they transferring their anger at their assailants onto Gerry Adams?

    What is clear, however, is that GA raped and sexually assaulted no-one. He didn't rape Aine Tyrell, he didn't rape Ms. Cahill, and he didn't sexually assault the victim in the X case. Nor, in fact, did he cover up, despite all the yoo bah shouts and claims, the sexual assaults alleged in all three cases. Aine Tyrell went to the RUC (although it was left to GA to inform LA's new wife of the allegations against him, the reason given in the UTV Insight programme for the RUC being approached in the first place was to protect another child). Ms. Cahill could have as readily approached the PSNI as Suzanne Breen, and the victim in the X case did make a complaint with the PSNI.

    Has Gerry Adams been entirely honest or forthcoming vis--vis the Aine Tyrell case (I don't believe he's addressed either of the other two cases)? Probably not. He probably didn't tell anyone about his brother's daughter telling him her father raped her. She'd already been to the RUC about the matter and according to her mother they weren't interested. What was GA to do? Get on a loudhailer and declare to the world his brother was an incestuous child rapist? Don't know about the rest of you, but I'd be devastated at hearing that one of my brothers was such, and I frankly don't know what I'd do. I do know what I wouldn't do though, I wouldn't broadcast it to the world, the shame would be enough in private without going public. And those of you who, if faced with the same circumstances, say differently are probably bigger liars than you accuse GA of ever being.

    Catch yourselves on. The man raped no child, he raped no woman, and you're treating him like he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roisin3 View Post
    Catch yourselves on. The man raped no child, he raped no woman, and you're treating him like he did.
    It makes me angry that there are ignorant Sinn fein people out there that see nothing wrong with covering up sex abuse.
    It is quite clear for everyone to see except for Sinn fein supporters that there was plenty covered up and this in it self was wrong , his niece has said he covered up as have to 2 other victims , if someone had said it about the catholic church there would be a claims of a cover up and howls of outrage.
    And as we have learned from the recent church scandals covering up the crime and ignoring the victims is as bad as the crime and Gerry Adams was condoning the abuse by ignoring it and failing to act.

    Were you one of the many Sinn Fein supporters running around Belfast this morning buy multiples of the Sunday Tribune ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmrebel View Post
    It makes me angry that there are ignorant Sinn fein people out there that see nothing wrong with covering up sex abuse.
    It is quite clear for everyone to see except for Sinn fein supporters that there was plenty covered up and this in it self was wrong , his niece has said he covered up as have to 2 other victims , if someone had said it about the catholic church there would be a claims of a cover up and howls of outrage.
    And as we have learned from the recent church scandals covering up the crime and ignoring the victims is as bad as the crime and Gerry Adams was condoning the abuse by ignoring it and failing to act.

    Were you one of the many Sinn Fein supporters running around Belfast this morning buy multiples of the Sunday Tribune ?
    There's a right few of wallopers on p.ie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scribbler View Post
    There's a right few of wallopers on p.ie
    Wallopers, scribblers, spankers, spinners; they lie, distort and evade.
    Those unscrupulous shinners.

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