Adams is finished, surely?

[Pat Mc Larnon]

I am perfectly calm Pat, why don't you stick to playing the Ball and not the man.

My point is, is that Gerry Adams actions are not the actions of a man who believed that his brother was a child abuser.
I never said that Gerry Adams, should prevent his brother getting employment, rather that he should prevent his brother being employed to work with children.
He said he told Liams employers of the allegations against him, which they deny.
you said yourself that Gerry Adams should come out and say, who exactly he gave that information to. He has not done this.

It is not junk, I am simply asking you that if you had children and they attended Clonnard Youth when Liam Adams worked there, would you not be asking the questions that I am asking? you would rather try to psychoanalyse me and my motives, rather than ask yourself that question.

I have no narritve either, for anyone to buy into. there are inconsistancies with Gerry Adams version of events and actual events. That is a fact.
Again you are playing the man and not the ball, trying to insuate that I am like Suzanne Breen, or tryng to assertain that there are only a handful of internet posters asking these question, another attempt at dismissal from yourself. Didn't The Times ask if Gerry Adams was one of Northern Ireland untouchables, after these allegations came out?

To cut to the chase, how could Gerry Adams have prevented his brother working with children? Clonard Youth Club claim to have documentation from the RUC stating that it was ok for him to do so. In this case we are being asked to buy into the claim that Gerry Adams take what was essentially a (alleged) sordid family secret out into the public domain, based on one word against another. All the while denying due process and forever labelling his brother a paedopile (whether innocent or not).
Maybe he could have and in the opinion of some maybe he should have, but i'm sorry I don't follow that script.

There are a number of points re membership of SF. A clear and definitive statement on the time line of events should be put out into the public domain. Exact details on the membership of Liam Adams and post held should also be provided.

[Perchance]

How exactly was Gerry Adams in a position to stop his brother getting employment?

You're joking, aren't you?

The same way that Adams/SF stopped everyone else they didn't like from getting jobs in West Belfast, and boxed them off for those they did/do like.

Please don't pretend that doesn't happen when we all know it does.

Leo Green was on the panel for one of those "community" jobs Liam Adams had working with children, a word in his ear wouldn't have gone amiss. Well, apparently, it did go missing.

[pd_phoenix]

You're joking, aren't you?

The same way that Adams/SF stopped everyone else they didn't like from getting jobs in West Belfast, and boxed them off for those they did/do like.

Leo Green was on the panel for one of those "community" jobs Liam Adams had working with children, a word in his ear wouldn't have gone amiss. Well, apparently, it did go missing.

Please don't pretend that doesn't happen when we all know it does.

+1

[Perchance]

To cut to the chase, how could Gerry Adams have prevented his brother working with children? Clonard Youth Club claim to have documentation from the RUC stating that it was ok for him to do so. In this case we are being asked to buy into the claim that Gerry Adams take what was essentially a (alleged) sordid family secret out into the public domain, based on one word against another. All the while denying due process and forever labelling his brother a paedopile (whether innocent or not).
Maybe he could have and in the opinion of some maybe he should have, but i'm sorry I don't follow that script.

Liam Adams could have been blacklisted just as others have been within West Belfast and beyond and certainly never been able to get a job working with children in Adams' constituency or other Sinn Fein dominated areas, had Adams wanted to blacklist him and actually moved to do so like he claims. Clearly he didn't. To pretend otherwise is an insult to people's intelligence. There are plenty of people who have been through the community sector who know exactly how it works. If SF doesn't like you, you're not getting the types of jobs Liam Adams held.

If he were blacklisted as Adams claimed Martin McGuinness would never had stood smiling next to Liam for the camera at a SF function, would he? If he had been blacklisted, surely Martin McGuinness would have known Liam was persona non grata. He didn't because he wasn't.

If he truly was persona non grata as Adams claims he would never have been 'in republican circles' in the positions he was.

Plenty of other people have been very effectively made persona non grata in those same circles.

There are a number of points re membership of SF. A clear and definitive statement on the time line of events should be put out into the public domain. Exact details on the membership of Liam Adams and post held should also be provided.

Agreed.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

Liam Adams could have been blacklisted just as others have been within West Belfast and beyond and certainly never been able to get a job working with children in Adams' constituency or other Sinn Fein dominated areas, had Adams wanted to blacklist him and actually moved to do so like he claims. Clearly he didn't. To pretend otherwise is an insult to people's intelligence. There are plenty of people who have been through the community sector who know exactly how it works. If SF doesn't like you, you're not getting the types of jobs Liam Adams held.

If he were blacklisted as Adams claimed Martin McGuinness would never had stood smiling next to Liam for the camera at a SF function, would he? If he had been blacklisted, surely Martin McGuinness would have known Liam was persona non grata. He didn't because he wasn't.

If he truly was persona non grata as Adams claims he would never have been 'in republican circles' in the positions he was.

Plenty of other people have been very effectively made persona non grata in those same circles..

Fair play to you for throwing your hat into the mix. Unfortunately anyone who knows the relationship between church run youth clubs and SF will know that SF have little or no influence on church run organisations, in fact the relationship can be caustic. A log winded attempt at a diversion but fruitless nonetheless.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

You're joking, aren't you?

The same way that Adams/SF stopped everyone else they didn't like from getting jobs in West Belfast, and boxed them off for those they did/do like.

Please don't pretend that doesn't happen when we all know it does.

Leo Green was on the panel for one of those "community" jobs Liam Adams had working with children, a word in his ear wouldn't have gone amiss. Well, apparently, it did go missing.

Fair play to you for the 'we all know', cuts down in the need to provide detail.

[pd_phoenix]

Pat I know you're like a one man defence team for Adams but surely you can admit this is damaging and you'd be better of submitting your views on how he can survive rather than defending has extremly dubious actions regarding his brother

[Perchance]

Fair play to you for throwing your hat into the mix. Unfortunately anyone who knows the relationship between church run youth clubs and SF will know that SF have little or no influence on church run organisations, in fact the relationship can be caustic. A log winded attempt at a diversion but fruitless nonetheless.

Nice try, but no.

Church excuse does not wash, not least since the cynics in the crowd would only think that means Liam would be especially welcomed into one of their youth jobs with open arms!

That snark aside, hiding behind some sort of caustic relationship between the church and SF - when the church in question is Alec Reid's and has a notoriously excellent relationship with Sinn Fein and Adams, and is well known in its community for facilitating the Republican Movement in the area - doesn't work as an excuse. Clonard and Sinn Fein do not have a caustic relationship, they have a very good relationship.

Worse for your excuse, the Clonard job was not the only West Belfast community sector job Liam Adams held. He held other positions that were not overseen by the Church.

You know it's a losing argument you're making, hence the attempt to dismiss the truth of the matter - SF's ability to blacklist people from community jobs - as a diversion.

[Pat Mc Larnon]

Pat I know you're like a one man defence team for Adams but surely you can admit this is damaging and you'd be better of submitting your views on how he can survive rather than defending has extremly dubious actions regarding his brother

Sorry, are we on to the one opinion fits all. That explains a lot.

[pd_phoenix]

Sorry, are we on to the one opinion fits all. That explains a lot.

no just that one opinion seems to be fitting a majority