Gerry as Uachtaran na hEireann? New SF leader?

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theres a difference between speaking rights for gerry adams in leinter house and speaking rights for northern representation in leinster house

What's the difference?

[Corcaigh33]

What makes anyone think Adams would want to be Uachtarán of a partitioned Ireland?

Now, hypothetically, in a UI what would Adams' chances be?

In my mind it would entirely depend on the nature of the UI we achieved, how it finally came about and who might be running against him.

If the DUP and SF (unlikely as it may seem at the moment) are in government for say, 10 years, at the end of which there is a referendum and there is a UI - what objection would people possibly have to Adams AT THAT TIME and IN THAT CONTEXT??? I would suggest little.

Again at that time and in that context, it doesn't matter that FG, Labour or the PD's would not vote for him because they would NEVER vote for him anyway.

What would really impact his potential election would be who FF would put up against him (if they would put anyone up against him at all??) - again I saying at that time and in a UI context.

I reckon an election at that time and in that context in which Adams stands and there is no FF candidate - he gets elected on the tide of emotional feeling that erupts post-UI.

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If the DUP and SF (unlikely as it may seem at the moment) are in government for say, 10 years, at the end of which there is a referendum and there is a UI - what objection would people possibly have to Adams AT THAT TIME and IN THAT CONTEXT??? I would suggest little.

People don't have to give a reason for voting the way they do. Enough people dislike Adams for him never to win the presidency. Period.

Again at that time and in that context, it doesn't matter that FG, Labour or the PD's would not vote for him because they would NEVER vote for him anyway.

But they'll transfer all the way down the paper in order that he doesn't win. Hence the FF candidate would walk it.

What would really impact his potential election would be who FF would put up against him (if they would put anyone up against him at all??) - again I saying at that time and in a UI context.

Why would FF NOT run a candidate against him in any context? A UI would be irrelevant to that decision. FF have been the biggest party in Ireland for 80 years. They didn't get there by not competing for jobs like the presidency. You also seem to be assuming that in the context of a UI, the electorate will be overwhelmingly grateful to Adams for achieving that. I believe that's a very naive view. A far more likely candidate for the presidency would be whichever Taoiseach/Foreign Affairs minister was in situ when it came to pass.

I reckon an election at that time and in that context in which Adams stands and there is no FF candidate - he gets elected on the tide of emotional feeling that erupts post-UI

Again, if you think FF wouldn't run in that scenario, you don't understand FF. Or FG, Labour, Greens, anyone. Adams will never be president of Ireland, for the simple and democratic reason that too many people don't want him to be, and never will. Plus the fact that he'll be going cold by the time a UI happens anyway.

[The Analyser]

What makes anyone think Adams would want to be Uachtarán of a partitioned Ireland?

Now, hypothetically, in a UI what would Adams' chances be?

In my mind it would entirely depend on the nature of the UI we achieved, how it finally came about and who might be running against him.

If the DUP and SF (unlikely as it may seem at the moment) are in government for say, 10 years, at the end of which there is a referendum and there is a UI - what objection would people possibly have to Adams AT THAT TIME and IN THAT CONTEXT??? I would suggest little.

There is a greater chance of George W Bush winning the Nobel Peace Prize and then becoming pope than there is of a United Ireland in ten years.

What would really impact his potential election would be who FF would put up against him (if they would put anyone up against him at all??) - again I saying at that time and in a UI context.

I reckon an election at that time and in that context in which Adams stands and there is no FF candidate - he gets elected on the tide of emotional feeling that erupts post-UI.

Naive and very funny.

1. FF will never hand the presidency to anyone who is from another party. FF does not behave like that. Merely because it leaked out from FG first that FF and FG had agreed to co-nominate Rita Childers to be president after her husband's death in 1974 was enough to cause FF to back off the nomination of the widow of their own ex-deputy leader. Anyone who thinks that FF would not oppose Adams is living in cloud cuckoo land.

2. Even if FF decided not to oppose him (and that is a non-starter) FG, Labour, the DUP, the UUP, the SDLP and all other parties would be queuing to run candidates to force an election.

3. Adams would be opposed by most in FF, all in FG, the vast majority in Labour, all the PDs (if they still exist then), all of the UUP, all of the SDLP, all of the DUP, etc. So he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming president. It is a 100% non-starter. I know some Shinners on this site show an almost scary amount of lack of touch with reality, but thinking that Adams has the slightest chance in hell of becoming president is so nutty it is certifiable.

What next? Mary Lou to marry Pope Benedict???

[factual]

"What next? Mary Lou to marry Pope Benedict??? "

She could have most anyone, but is already in a happy partnership.

[The Analyser]

"What next? Mary Lou to marry Pope Benedict??? "

She could have most anyone, but is already in a happy partnership.

Somehow I don't imagine Big Ben being that interested in Madam Mary.

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"What next? Mary Lou to marry Pope Benedict??? "

She could have most anyone, but is already in a happy partnership.

Holy Jesus. Even by your standards factual, that's eye-watering stuff.

[The Analyser]

"What next? Mary Lou to marry Pope Benedict??? "

She could have most anyone, but is already in a happy partnership.

So you mean that Princess Anne and Mary Lou might happen? :wink:

[Limerick Lad]

So you mean that Princess Anne and Mary Lou might happen? :wink:

Classic!

[The Trinity Politick]

I don't care if Ireland is unifed and we're all dancing with unionists in the streets.

Theres no way in hell i would ever vote for a Sinn Fein President. Remember Presidential campaigns are not as independent as it may seem. Broadly speaking, the parties that put up a candidate achieve a vote in line with their national figure.

With the exception of Mary Robinson in 1990, although that was in fairness exceptional by beating FG on first count yet not beating FF. Triumph for the national coalition really..