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    Quote Originally Posted by fifilawe View Post
    John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Greg Palast have all been become personae non gratiae for MSM , and right wing leaning media , I wonder why?I've read material from all three and they just use material that is released about the topics they discuss.I recommend "The best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Greg Palast to show how a free democratic country can still be corrupted legally by the Corporates and rich , powerful individuals.
    Pilger and Palast are loony left mutters divorced from reality. Fisk is regularly on the radio and has regular columns in mainstream papers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cracjerz View Post
    I know Pilger is credible though. The problem is that while many people are now skeptical of the traditional media some seem to trust complete charlatans as long as they say something different to the mainstream media. It isn't critical thinking. It's more idealogical.
    The majority of people are actually perfectly fine with the media. You mean a few loud, usually alt right conspiraloons are mistrustful of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    No, it comes from the UN and HRW.
    Where do the UN and HRW get their information?


    Assad's war machine has killed "lots" of people.
    Indeed. That's often a downside in a Civil War.

    There's a story from the Irish Civil War of an Army Officer commanding an artillery battery that was firing on a terrorist position in his home City. One of the shells landed hear his parents house and nearly killed his mother.

    If the IRA/UVF/Al Quaeda were to take over an area in an Irish City, and hold the population hostage, and use the population as human shields, we can be sure that that some wag would be able to state that "Leo's war machine has killed "lots" of people".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iracy-theories

    This from that Neo-con bastion The Guardian. Pilger is a dyed in the wool loony left fraud who peddles bullshyt conspiracy theories.........as long as the West is the bad guy.
    Pity you couldn't engage with what he said instead of simply dismissing it. Should we dismiss your posts simply based on the fact that you're a dyed in the wool Thatcherite and pro imperial neoliberal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Pilger and Palast are loony left mutters divorced from reality. Fisk is regularly on the radio and has regular columns in mainstream papers.
    Regularly pointing out the utter hypocrisy of western Imperialsim too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post

    You know they are intimately tied to Jihadist groups like Al Nusra, which is AQ in Syria ? You know they are propagandists not actual rescuers ? You know why the US won't let him into the US despite funneling millions into his group ? They know he is a Jihadist, these are not the good guys.
    As bad as Assad is, I would prefer him any day to the Jihadi scum like Al Nusra and the white helmets, if you stop and think about it the UK are pumping into the white helmets whose members are praising IS, waving IS flags, that's the people that planted a bomb at a concert in Manchester, who drive trucks into crowds of people. That is who Johnson and May are giving Uk tax payer money to.

    You would think after the 1980's and Afghanistan, the money poured into the Mujahadeen who became the Taliban and AQ and flew planes into the WTC, the west would have learned you don't encourage these people, you don't give them money and weapons, because they will bite the hand that feeds them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iracy-theories

    This from that Neo-con bastion The Guardian. Pilger is a dyed in the wool loony left fraud who peddles bullshyt conspiracy theories.........as long as the West is the bad guy.

    If you watch the video you would see who wrote that article for the Guardian and you would see the Guardian is a rag pretending to be journalism.
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    The White Helmets are nothing more than a propaganda tool. They've been trying to pass themselves off as Civil Defence in Syria, despite the Syrian Civil Defence stating that the White Helmets are not Civil Defence. They fook up every so often in their fake videos and use the same actors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitchcock View Post
    Regularly pointing out the utter hypocrisy of western Imperialsim too.
    It needs to be pointed out more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    To be clear: this is the “Hitler was a Rothschild sponsored by the West” James Corbett who thinks 9/11 and Bin Ladens death were conspiracies. That guy right?

    But yeah, let’s give him credence. He seems smart. Look, he’s got a YouTube video and everything.
    Like you, I prefer to draw my conclusions based on authoritative sources such as Tony Blair, George W, Hilary Clinton and Boris Johnson. What really sells me is their expertise, especially in Iraq and Libya. Such amazing competence and moral behavior.
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