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    pumpkinpie pumpkinpie is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socratus O' Pericles View Post
    They were uninvited guests and now they are being asked to leave and give back the silver they accidentally slipped into their pockets.
    There's a good joke doing the rounds, ''where is the wealth of Zimbabwe?'', the answer is in a Swiss bank account. Mugabe raped Zimbabwe and the new guy will rape whatever's left. They can't govern themselves that is patently clear, rabble rabble racism is all very well but they can f uck right off for Foreign Aid as long as the corruption continues.
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    Ardillaun Ardillaun is online now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    Plenty keen. Imagine, how he ruled so despotically with no support for 37 years...

    Here is one of my favourite quotes. Zimabaweans knew who he was. The didn't mind killing off the whities. He wasn't "reclaiming stolen land". He didn't give a fúck if you were a cashed up Paddy and bought it fair and scare from a black owner. You were white.

    No, I didn't see many Zimbabweans protesting about that. I did see them invading, beating and shooting though.

    Now South Africa is going the same way. Racists, no better than those they deposed.
    Despots don't require a majority to rule.

    I don't get too worked up about racism per se - its possible consequences concern me a lot more - because I believe all humans are naturally tribal. Give us the right conditions and a lot of us will do some pretty awful things as Germany illustrated all too well. The farm workers certainly weren't cheering when they lost their livelihoods on the commercial farms and many in Harare weren't cheering when the economy collapsed.

    South Africa is indeed going down a sinister road right now with the ANC scapegoating white farmers as its popularity declines. I hope things don’t get any worse before I go there in the spring.
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    razorblade razorblade is offline

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    Its gone well past the stage that white Europeans are to blame for the failures of Africa its its economic mismanagement, kleptocracy and tribal conflict which are the issue, Mugabe took over a perfectly functioning country and plundered it of all its wealth and resources so he could live like an emperor while the rest of the population starved some freedom fighter he ended up being far worse and oppressive than the government he replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    Golly gosh! Sounds like it was top ho before this independence nonsense, absolutely spiffing.
    this was after independence
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    Trainwreck Trainwreck is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardillaun View Post
    Despots don't require a majority to rule.

    Don't excuse those who willingly participate in the racism and racist violence in Zimbabwe, nor those that watch and say nothing.


    "Don't blame the people, it was only the leaders." Bullshít.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    Don't excuse those who willingly participate in the racism and racist violence in Zimbabwe, nor those that watch and say nothing.


    "Don't blame the people, it was only the leaders." Bullshít.
    partly true But having an army behind you helps.
    what is interesting is how violence can cow the majority
    If Cromwell or his ilk were still in power in he UK I am sure Ireland and if there were any Irish left would be still part of UK.
    interesting also to see the same guys who were cheering for Mugabe two weeks and telling him and his wife that the sun from etc etc are now the ones denouncing him
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    Woefully ill informed as per usual.

    'Long-roiling factional conflict within Zimbabwe’s ruling ZANU-PF political party exploded last week in a military coup that quickly seized control of the government and state media. The coup was led by Commander of Zimbabwe Defense Forces Constantino Chiwenga, who is closely aligned with former vice president Emmerson Mnangagwa.
    Emboldened by President Robert Mugabe’s declining mental sharpness and physical health in recent years, Mnangagwa actively maneuvered to ensure that he would succeed the president. Mnangagwa served as one of Zimbabwe’s two vice presidents. From that position, he and his supporters, known as Team Lacoste, became embroiled in a bitter struggle with younger party members who coalesced around Secretary of Women’s Affairs Grace Mugabe, wife of the president, and whose group was known as Generation 40, or G40.

    As early as 2015, Mnangagwa began reaching out to opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai to discuss plans to implement a five-year transition government, in which both men would play a leading role. The unity government would compensate and “reintegrate” dispossessed former owners of large-scale farms. Reuters obtained hundreds of internal documents from Zimbabwe’s Central Intelligence Organization that revealed the plan. “Key aspects of the transition planning described in the documents were corroborated by interviews with political, diplomatic and intelligence sources in Zimbabwe and South Africa,” reports Reuters. The same sources left open “the possibility that the government could be unelected.” In one report, it was said that Mugabe feared that Mnangagwa would attempt to reverse land reform. [i]

    According to the documents, senior military officials met with Tsvangirai, many of whom were “saying it is better to clandestinely rally behind Tsvangirai for a change.” Security officials also secretly met with Mnangagwa to discuss Mugabe. “They all agree that Mugabe is now a security threat due to his ill health.”  Not surprisingly, “four people with direct knowledge of coalition-related discussions about post-Mugabe rebuilding” indicated that Great Britain had at least peripheral involvement in discussions, and British ambassador to Zimbabwe Catriona Laing was said to favor “Mnangagwa to succeed Mugabe.”'
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11...p-in-zimbabwe/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Post-truth View Post
    Woefully ill informed as per usual.

    'Long-roiling factional conflict within Zimbabwe’s ruling ZANU-PF political party exploded last week in a military coup that quickly seized control of the government and state media. The coup was led by Commander of Zimbabwe Defense Forces Constantino Chiwenga, who is closely aligned with former vice president Emmerson Mnangagwa.
    Emboldened by President Robert Mugabe’s declining mental sharpness and physical health in recent years, Mnangagwa actively maneuvered to ensure that he would succeed the president. Mnangagwa served as one of Zimbabwe’s two vice presidents. From that position, he and his supporters, known as Team Lacoste, became embroiled in a bitter struggle with younger party members who coalesced around Secretary of Women’s Affairs Grace Mugabe, wife of the president, and whose group was known as Generation 40, or G40.

    As early as 2015, Mnangagwa began reaching out to opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai to discuss plans to implement a five-year transition government, in which both men would play a leading role. The unity government would compensate and “reintegrate” dispossessed former owners of large-scale farms. Reuters obtained hundreds of internal documents from Zimbabwe’s Central Intelligence Organization that revealed the plan. “Key aspects of the transition planning described in the documents were corroborated by interviews with political, diplomatic and intelligence sources in Zimbabwe and South Africa,” reports Reuters. The same sources left open “the possibility that the government could be unelected.” In one report, it was said that Mugabe feared that Mnangagwa would attempt to reverse land reform. [i]

    According to the documents, senior military officials met with Tsvangirai, many of whom were “saying it is better to clandestinely rally behind Tsvangirai for a change.” Security officials also secretly met with Mnangagwa to discuss Mugabe. “They all agree that Mugabe is now a security threat due to his ill health.”  Not surprisingly, “four people with direct knowledge of coalition-related discussions about post-Mugabe rebuilding” indicated that Great Britain had at least peripheral involvement in discussions, and British ambassador to Zimbabwe Catriona Laing was said to favor “Mnangagwa to succeed Mugabe.”'
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11...p-in-zimbabwe/
    Why you have dirty skunks like Trainwreck stinking up the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razorblade View Post
    Its gone well past the stage that white Europeans are to blame for the failures of Africa its its economic mismanagement, kleptocracy and tribal conflict which are the issue, Mugabe took over a perfectly functioning country and plundered it of all its wealth and resources so he could live like an emperor while the rest of the population starved some freedom fighter he ended up being far worse and oppressive than the government he replaced.
    Its okay, after the whites were driven out of their homes with no compensation by Mugabe, neighbouring Zambia offered the white farmers to come and farm their lands. They have been very sucessful.

    Last year Mugabe was asking them to come back.

    Would they want to come back?


    White farmers thrive in Zambia years after driven from Zimbabwe | Zambia News | Al Jazeera
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    Karloff Karloff is online now

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    10 million for Communist Rebel Bob.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mbabwe-zanu-pf

    The rewards for betraying your people and country are always rich. The punishment for seeking to help it is always bleak. So says experience.

    The goody bag is handed from tyrant to tyrant, such is the fate of Africa (and much of the world).

    The successor looks like a real beat.

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