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    Anti-Christian and anti-Chinese feeling peak in Indonesian election.

    Indonesia's tiny Chinese Christian community leads a strangely privileged but also precarious existence. Their wealth means they generally have a standard of living far above those of the 90% native Muslim majority with whom they share the country.

    That can be dangerous too with accusations that they're unduly dominating the economy with some estimates putting some 70% of economic activity in ethnic Chinese hands - an extraordinary figure for a community that comprises 1-4$ of the Indonesian population. Memories are still raw of the 1998 pogroms when - following the downfall of the dictator Suharto - mobs attacked Chinese districts of Jakarta, looting shops and businesses, beating and raping, and killing over 1,000 people.

    Still when a Christian Chinese politician, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama (also known as "Ahok") was elected as mayor of Jakarta in 2014, there was reason to hope that the days of bitterness were left behind. With a can do attitude, he set about cleaning up the corruption and inefficiency of Jakarta and even his detractors would admit that things improved hugely under his reign.

    However, a certain section of conservative Islamic society looked on his ethnicity and especially his religion and viewed him as a problem.

    Roll forward to last October and in comments widely misquoted (not to mentioned video being doctored), Ahok is alleged to have insulted the Quran. He cited one verse from the Qur’an (which urges Muslims not to regard Jews and Christians as allies) and said the verse had been used to deceive voters and justify the assertion that Muslims should not be led by non-Muslims. However, a manipulated version of those comments was subsequently circulated online, changed in a way to make the mayor’s comments appear far more offensive than they were.

    Cue nationwide outrage and rallies of over half a million people in Jakarta demanding he be jailed. He is now facing blasphemy charges, been banned from travelling abroad and could face five years in prison. The first of two rounds of mayoral elections were held this week. Ahok is a candidate and should make the second round but this episode has hugely damaged his support base.

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    Indonesia is well on the slippery slope to becoming another SE Asian Islamic State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YongHoi View Post
    Indonesia is well on the slippery slope to becoming another SE Asian Islamic State.
    It's a perfect storm of religion, ethnicity and an impoverished majority resenting the wealth of a tiny minority..

    Officially, Indonesia recognizes 6 religions - including (obviously) Islam as well as Protestantism and Catholicism (not "Christianity"!), Hinduism and Buddhism. You're not allowed be an atheist.

    However, any of these religions can be effectively banned by presidential decree as happened with Confucianism in a wave of anti-Chinese feeling in the 1960s and the status of Confucianism is still unclear today.
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    Maybe Europe should be looking to take in Christians (with money) from around the world in dodgy countries like this. A lot better than doing the opposite
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    Maybe Europe should be looking to take in Christians (with money) from around the world in dodgy countries like this. A lot better than doing the opposite
    I wonder would they all want to come. The Chinese in south-east Asia have their family and ethnic networks that they've built over decades, sometimes centuries, stretching from Indonesia and Malaysia across to the Philippines. That's been a huge part of their economic success.

    They've endured far worse in Indonesia than a doctored video and a few rallies. They just keep their heads down until the storm passes and then emerge again.

    I suppose if one thing is disappointing for them, it's that Indonesia doesn't seem to be moving forward.
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    This wouldn't happen under Suharto. Bad and all as he was, he kept the Islamists in check. That's democracy,folks....
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    Anyone who is interested in learning about Indonesia should watch the documentary 'the act of killing'. It is true that Indonesia has been a less than civilised country over the years.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5oMxbMcHM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscurito View Post
    It's a perfect storm of religion, ethnicity and an impoverished majority resenting the wealth of a tiny minority..

    Officially, Indonesia recognizes 6 religions - including (obviously) Islam as well as Protestantism and Catholicism (not "Christianity"!), Hinduism and Buddhism. You're not allowed be an atheist.

    However, any of these religions can be effectively banned by presidential decree as happened with Confucianism in a wave of anti-Chinese feeling in the 1960s and the status of Confucianism is still unclear today.
    You left out one very important factor.

    Work ethic. The ethnic Chinese work better and more intelligently than the rest of the population in Indonesia.

    Indonesia is moving in the direction of an increased political desire for backwardness. The religious experts are fighting the infidels because the infidels arr providing a good example how to get ahead.

    The fact that athiesm is banned, is indicative of a fear in a certain belief system about it's own subjects being closet athiests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscurito View Post
    This wouldn't happen under Suharto. Bad and all as he was, he kept the Islamists in check. That's democracy,folks....
    Actually that is what happens when the religious experts are not challenged openly about the vicious nature of the beliefs that they hold.

    And this is possible when athiesm is banned, & blasphemy laws are in place to prevent anybody asking questions about somebody's imaginary chum in the sky.

    The public discourse then becomes ridiculous. The ethnic Chinese candidate might be the most cspable and the most competent. But the mullahs instruct the submissive to back any other option. End result everybody is worse off - except the old men whose source of power and resources us their knowledge of nonsense.

    As Hitchens commented - it is called belief because there is no evidence.

    And as Professor Tom Holland indicated - there is no evidence. None.
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