O'Gormon criticises "all parties" over rape crisis

[BarryW]

No Barry as it happens civil servants usually advise government, and typically it is Junior ministers who allocate funding to small charties such as One in Four who work in the area of health etc.

They dont all sit around a table and decide together you know.

Ive checked this and Michael Martin was Minister at the time when their funding was threatened also.

Yeah. Junior Ministers, and not the Cabinet, decide how to spend Government money....

Give us a break

[ff]

Any chance he'll explain what SF did wrong in this whole sorry affair ?

He's full of shi*t quite frankly.

That may offend people, but thats my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion ROC, but I think thats one to keep to yourself as your right it is offensive.

[rockofcashel]

Any chance he'll explain what SF did wrong in this whole sorry affair ?

He's full of shi*t quite frankly.

That may offend people, but thats my opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion ROC, but I think thats one to keep to yourself as your right it is offensive.

Care to explain why ff ?

I have no problem taking a lecture from Colm O' Gorman when he was an independent person, but now, as a partisan party member, tough Colm, politics is politics.

[ff]

Yeah. Junior Ministers, and not the Cabinet, decide how to spend Government money....

Give us a break

Barry,

If you choose not to hear what people say thats entirely up to you.

Perhaps you care to explain how One in Four is funded then and who advises on how, when etc and is ultimately responsible in your view.
When this happened.

Your insights into how a charity might be funded at a point in time and who decides would be fascinating to hear given that you seem to suggest you understand it so well.

To be honest I think you are actually off the mark, but I want to hear you reasoned arguement first.

[BarryW]

If you choose not to hear what people say thats entirely up to you

I heard what you said. You said that someone other than the Government decides how to spend Government money. And you are 100% wrong

Perhaps you care to explain how One in Four is funded then and who advises on how, when etc and is ultimately responsible in your view

One in Four, like many such organisations, is funded partly by its own fundraising, and partly by the Government.

The responsibility for the Government part of this lies......unsurprisingly....with the Government. So when the Government cut One In Four's funding by a quarter in 2004, the Government was responsible.

Comprendé?

[ff]

Barry

Get over yourself; you have no idea of how charities are funded.

The government en masse does not decide how funding is allocated with each charity.

Line ministers do
At that particular time One in Fours funding was cut by Minister Michael Martin – he would have been responsible.
The PDs would likely have had no input into it whatsoever.

But you know, you obviously need to follow a particular line on this because that suits your own agenda. You can say it as many times as you like but it frankly isn’t true.
And if you don’t believe me, might I suggest you FOI the Department

Mind you that will cost ya.

I’m doing you a favour by saving you the expense and time.

[BarryW]

At that particular time One in Fours funding was cut by Minister Michael Martin – he would have been responsible.
The PDs would likely have had no input into it whatsoever

So you are seriously telling me that the PDs are being left out of deciding how certain sections of Government money is spent?!

Harney and McDowell will be interested to hear that news....

[candid]

At that particular time One in Fours funding was cut by Minister Michael Martin – he would have been responsible.
The PDs would likely have had no input into it whatsoever

So you are seriously telling me that the PDs are being left out of deciding how certain sections of Government money is spent?!

Harney and McDowell will be interested to hear that news....

Barry you are a little bit out of touch if you assume that every bit of government expenditure is approved by the cabinet. There would be cabinet meetings round the clock if that were the case.

Government budgets are decided by cabinet for each department, how each minister in each department allocates these budgets on a day to day basis is decided by each individual minister and does not need cabinet (or PD) approval.

[BarryW]

Government budgets are decided by cabinet for each department, how each minister in each department allocates these budgets on a day to day basis is decided by each individual minister and does not need cabinet (or PD) approval.

So the Caninet bears no repsonsibility for how €500,000 of our money is spent?

[rockofcashel]

Come on Barry,

you are being facetious here.

The cabinet bears responsibility for budgetary spending, but only on a collegiate basis. You know that as well as anyone else here does.

Not every single line of expenditure goes before the cabinet en masse, but rather, as was explained, the cabinet, or more pertinently, the Department of Finance, oversee the spending of budgets.

You hardly think that Bertie gets to hear about whether or not there is money for tea and biccies down at the OPW offices do you ?

Mind you, I think Garret used to be so into micro-management, that he probably did know about every penny that was spent.

Get back to slagging COG though.

PD sellout