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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    The government appears to have lost the run of things:

    The Gardai are falsifying tests and under-reporting crime
    The Dept of the Environment cannot count houses being built
    The HSE cannot build hospitals
    NAMA can't stop being investigated for irregular transactions
    Irish Water is a farce - just a new quango with additional costs but no capability to raise the money required to manage water
    We seem to not want to collect a fair tax from the MNCs making billions here

    It's one farce and failure after another.
    All of the above are difficult to solve, irrespective of what we might think.

    And, if FF are in govt on the back of an election, they will be in the same positon FG are in now, either propped up by the shinners or, far more likely, by FG.

    But it will all be FF's problem to solve.

    Why volunteer to take over a $h1tstorm...?

    Let it pass, and they will end up in power in easier circumstances. And Enda's continuance just helps them..

    Long game.

    Plus, the "A" word is now in play. And whoever is in govt will have to deal with THAT...

    Screw that for a game of Destiny....
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    How many times do posters need to be reminded of the deal they made, the adult action of seeing it through and polls that suggest it's likely to be another fine mess if they do pull the plug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuirView View Post
    Poor SF won't go into govt unless they're the leading party!
    That rules them out, again.

    A vote for poor SF is a wasted vote.
    Actually I would not be too sure about that. The SF Ard fheis wil have to make a decision on that. In the last election every single party came out beforehand saying they wouldn't dance with anyone, then the electorate handed them a curve ball in the result. Bets are that in the run up to the next election SF will probably say they are willing to talk to anyone in a non committal fashion. In fact, that would be the most sensible tack for all parties to take. The Media obsession with coalitions pre election neglects to realise the harsh realities of post election dynamics. Labour have already said they will do a deal with SF, so it seems the no never no never wall is starting to crumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinnerBot No.32564844524 View Post
    Or until FF can poll thirty plus...

    Even then....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gin Soaked View Post
    Even then....?
    Chances are they'd like a flutter on their chances over the 3-4 weeks of an election campaign. Everything's to play for once it's called....thing is tho...it can go against you too. Our dear soldiers of destined failure still hold dear to the dream of 40% plus dominance, and even after GE16 the swagger was back despite the 24.4 result being not better than LE14...after all it's their 'destiny', 'the party of government' and all that

    Times have changed, some politicians expectations haven't.
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    FF are in tight spot and they know it.

    Despite what people think the present arrangement is win/win for FG

    If they lose seats at the next election and are overtaken by FF, they will accept defeat and announce they are going into opposition after 7 years in power, the people have spoken, time for a change, need to rebuikd etc etc

    Therefore the only option will be FF/SF in some arrangement.
    FG will love that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    'Tis a mystery alright ....from a purely tactical view , not taking the opportunity to force an election while a deeply unpopular Kenny still in charge of FG seems like a missed opportunity alone
    From an FF point of view, that horse has well and truly bolted. FG will be the more likely ones to pull the plug if the polls are looking nice after the leadership thingie is done and dusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    The government appears to have lost the run of things:

    The Gardai are falsifying tests and under-reporting crime
    The Dept of the Environment cannot count houses being built
    The HSE cannot build hospitals
    NAMA can't stop being investigated for irregular transactions
    Irish Water is a farce - just a new quango with additional costs but no capability to raise the money required to manage water
    We seem to not want to collect a fair tax from the MNCs making billions here

    It's one farce and failure after another.

    7 years ago FF were in a similar jock, but partly genuinely had a financial crisis to blame - FG have no excuse, they just now seem not to give a toss, but seem happy to drive up land and property value so that when the country finally implodes there's plenty of new "wealth" among their base.

    It's beyond time that FF pulled the plug. I recall writing a similar post 8 years ago, depressed at how completely dysfunctional FF had become and that it was time for them to consider what's good for the country over just what's good for FF- ironic now to be back full circle wishing they'd now pull the plug on the possibly the new worst government the country has ever had to endure.
    They have to wait for four reasons. 1 - they need to be higher in the polls, the Sindo and their stooges were supposed to have delivered super popular support at this stage but are falling far short. 2 - They are also relying on Sindo Bimbos to wreck Leo's chances of taking over in FG town. Leo is essentially the only boy who can beat Mehole Martin and the Indobots are hard at work wrecking his chances to allow Simple Simon take the crown. 3 - The destruction of Sinn Fein is not going to plan, the resident political subvert in charge - Eoghan Harris - has lost the plot realising he will never buy another Senate seat again. Also he has wrecked FF chances to stand in the council elections in the North in 2019 because they are ...erm...well, ************************ scared because they know their arses will be handed to them. Harris' co-pilot Lielish O'Hanlon has spectacularly failed to convince people that SF and Gerry Adams were responsible for the Franco- Prussian war, whilst Mary Lou was busy planning the first Boar War. 4, and finally; FF do not want to be in government when they have to answer questions as to why they went to war with the Irish people over decades when they were in charge, questions like - why did you allow raped women to be locked up in institutions? why did you allow women and children to be raped, murdered and battered whilst in the care of the state? Why did you stand aside whilst babies were buried in bins in fields? Why did you sell Irish Children into slavery?

    Fianna Fail have a lot on their plate, the last thing they need now is to face the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHat View Post
    FF are in tight spot and they know it.

    Despite what people think the present arrangement is win/win for FG

    If they lose seats at the next election and are overtaken by FF, they will accept defeat and announce they are going into opposition after 7 years in power, the people have spoken, time for a change, need to rebuikd etc etc

    Therefore the only option will be FF/SF in some arrangement.
    FG will love that.
    Will poor SF "love that"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHat View Post
    FF are in tight spot and they know it.

    Despite what people think the present arrangement is win/win for FG

    If they lose seats at the next election and are overtaken by FF, they will accept defeat and announce they are going into opposition after 7 years in power, the people have spoken, time for a change, need to rebuikd etc etc

    Therefore the only option will be FF/SF in some arrangement.
    FG will love that.
    FF is a bit ruddlerless at the moment. Barry Cowan's solo run on water charges ran out of steam and I do wonder if he had much supporter from his party colleagues.

    The Soldiers of Dysentery have no incentive to pull the plug unless:
    1. The Shinners show signs of major and consistent poll decline.
    2. Some other reason emerges (like major economic problems) that gives them some cover for the electorate so they don't look opportunistic.
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