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    Citizens' Assembly

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    Citizens’ Assembly to consider the following matters and to make such recommendations as it sees fit and report to the Houses of the Oireachtas:
    (i) the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution;

    (ii) how we best respond to the challenges and opportunities of an ageing population;

    (iii) fixed term parliaments; and

    (iv) the manner in which referenda are held; and

    (v) how the State can make Ireland a leader in tackling climate change; and
    notes that:
    - membership of the Assembly will consist of 100 persons as follows:

    - a Chairperson to be appointed by the Government; and

    - 99 citizens entitled to vote at a referendum, randomly selected so as to be broadly representative of Irish society;
    Seanad Éireann - 15/Jul/2016 Prelude

    Agenda for first meeting http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Me...al-Meeting.pdf which is just an introduction/planning for further work

    Submissions are now invited on the first topic the Assembly will consider, the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution. http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Submissions/

    FAQ http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Resource-Area/FAQ/ more documents and answer to follow after first meetings

    The Assembly will meet again on November 25th in the Grand Hotel in Malahide, at which time it will commence its consideration of the first item referred to it by the Dáil Resolution; the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution.
    The Assembly will be calling for submissions from representative groups, citizen organisations and members of the public outlining their views in advance of Assembly meetings and these submissions will help to form the work programme for the debate. The Chairperson of the Assembly will put in place an Expert Panel on each of these topics. The Panel will reflect different views on the issues to be considered by the Assembly in a balanced way. The membership of the Expert Panel is likely to change depending on the topic and will be approved by the Steering Group, comprised of Assembly members. The Assembly members will deliberate on the each of the topics as outlined and any other matters that may be referred to it. Their conclusions on each topic will form the basis of individual reports and recommendations that will be submitted to the Houses of the Oireachtas.
    It is expected that the Assembly will consider the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution over a series of meetings and that the subsequent report on the Eighth Amendment would be submitted to the Houses of the Oireachtas in the first half of 2017.
    http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Ne...ia-Notice.html
    How were the citizen members selected?


    Following a public tendering process, Red C Research and Marketing Ltd were engaged to select the 99 citizen members of the Assembly.
    The members were recruited in September and October 2016. The members were chosen at random and are broadly representative of demographic variables as reflected in the Census. The quotas each interviewer had to reach in the district electoral division (DED) they were allocated to were based on the following demographic variables: gender, age and social class.
    Interviewers recruited participants by cold calling door-to-door to households. Interviewers selected a start address at random within the area allocated to them. They then tried to complete interviews at every nth house within that specific location. Within each household a random selection process was used to identify the person to try and recruit if more than one person was available.
    Direct applications from members of the public to take part in the Assembly were not accepted. Similarly, interviewers were not allowed to recruit friends or family together.
    Further details on the methodology used to identify the members is available here.
    A booklet was prepared for potential members to provide further advice on what is involved in being a Member, which is available to view here.
    Who are the Members - pTools RED C selection methodology https://t.co/WGOaLXo312
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    What have items ii and v got to do with the constitution?

    What's likely to come out of iv?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout View Post
    What have items ii and v got to do with the constitution?
    its not a constitutional convention its a citizens assembly.
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    Sneaky FG hobbits trying to get rid of McKenna Judgement, "The manner in which referendums are held" and using abortion to cover for it.
    Manner in which referenda are held and fixed term Parliament?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brussels Sprout View Post
    What have items ii and v got to do with the constitution?

    What's likely to come out of iv?
    It's a bit hard to know what a citizens' assembly would do with items ii and v alright. They are definitely important worthy topics. Experts will called to give testimony for a weekend or two on each. I guess the assembly will draft some kind of resolution, and that will be that. I'm not sure how useful it will really be.

    Item iii seems a reasonable enough topic. Not exactly earth-shattering. Semi-fixed terms might have their advantages.

    On item iv, most of our establishment and some (but not all) of our political scientists don't seem hugely enamoured with the body of jurisprudence that has grown up around the holding of referenda (Coughlan and McKenna etc.). Some have proposed a system where much of the funding is allocated in proportion to Dáil party strengths. IMO 50/50 allocation is a rather blunt instrument, but nonetheless is an important democratic protection. It's not inconceivable that a Victor Orban like figure could come to power in Ireland at some future time. Having a government then able to throw unlimited financial resources behind a referendum proposal might not then seem such a great idea. This strand, though, has the potential to be interesting. For example, I rather like the idea of preferendums (where voters get to choose between a range of options and the status quo in a referendum, perhaps using PR-STV). An abortion referendum might be a less divisive vote in such an environment. A range of proposals could be put to the people, from no change, to limited cases like fatal fetal abnormalities, rape and incest, to term limits to full repeal.
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    It would be interesting to pop along and sit in the foyer of the Grand Hotel tomorrow to see how representative the 99 citizens really are .
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    Quote Originally Posted by damus View Post
    It would be interesting to pop along and sit in the foyer of the Grand Hotel tomorrow to see how representative the 99 citizens really are .
    Would they try this again?
    Political Affiliations of "Ordinary Citizen" members of the Constitutional Convention
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostexpectation View Post
    website up Welcome to the Citizens' Assembly - pTools starts tmw
    Seanad Éireann - 15/Jul/2016 Prelude

    Agenda for first meeting http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Me...al-Meeting.pdf which is just an introduction/planning for further work

    Submissions are now invited on the first topic the Assembly will consider, the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution. http://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Submissions/
    Citizens convention should write their own matters for consideration and tell govt to eff off
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    Those pesky hobbits, welcome back btw.
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