View Poll Results: What Kind of United Ireland Would You Prefer?

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  • Unitary State run from central government in Dublin

    125 27.29%
  • Federal State with devolved government (in Dublin for current Republic and Belfast for current NI)

    60 13.10%
  • Federal State with four provincial states and Dublin as Federal District

    109 23.80%
  • Shared sovereignty with UK in NI

    13 2.84%
  • Do not want a United Ireland

    96 20.96%
  • Other

    55 12.01%
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    ruserious ruserious is offline
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    What Kind of United Ireland Would You Prefer?

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    a) Unitary State run from central government in Dublin
    b) Federal State with devolved government (in Dublin for current Republic and Belfast for current NI).
    c) Federal State with four provincial states and Dublin as Federal District.
    d) Shared sovereignty with UK in NI.
    e) Do not want a United Ireland.
    f) Other.


    A United Ireland remains a political ambition for many people on this island. Much of the discussion often gets caught up with emotive issues on just getting a United Ireland but little discussion has taken place on what a potential United Ireland would look like.

    What must be remembered in this discussion, is that Unionists will forever make up part of the community on this island. Their needs and wants must be respected.

    I've therefore started this thread, to examine potential governance types that a future UI could entail.

    a) Unitary State: This would be a continuation of the current state, Ireland where the 6 counties will just subsume into the Republic with central power in Dublin. While many would favour this model, I argue that it would prove problematic for being an inclusive state for unionists.

    b) Federal State with Devolved Government in Dublin and Belfast: This model would use the two existing Irish political entities and join them together in a federal arrangement under the banner of a United Ireland. 26 counties would be ruled from Dublin and 6 from Belfast. A federal assembly would be made up from members from both entities. This could well be a first step in creating stability if a United Ireland were ever to happen.

    c) Federal State with 4 provincial governments and a Federal District in Dublin city: This model would see a radical devolved power shift to more local government. Munster, Connaught, Ulster and Leinster (ex Dublin City) would each have their own provincial governments. This would allow local culture a better chance of recognition. Devolved power would extend to education, welfare, health etc. A federal capital in Dublin would be responsible for Defence, Foreign Affairs and any National federal matters.

    d) Shared Sovereignty with UK: This arrangement is a little difficult to envisage. The people of NI would have equal access to citizenship of both states as present, but both Dublin and London would contribute to the running of the country. It would be a military free zone with a police service that is answerable to both Dublin and London.

    e) Do Not Want a UI: Many of you may not want a UI for economic or cultural reasons. That is perfectly reasonable.

    f) Other: If you have another alternative, please share on the thread.


    Let's have an open minded and tolerant discussion please.
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    A toss up between B and C. I dunno if I could trust Cork people with Munster


    Nice OP by the way.
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    I'd go with b). If we're going with a full shake up of government/local government, I'd say c)
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    Once it's run from the actual capital and not "da real capital" I'm happy.
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    Are your hypothetical scenarios based on the assumption that the majority of voters in Northern Ireland have voted for a united Ireland, and things have reached the stage of negotiating the form a new 32 county State will take? If not, I'd have to vote for e)
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    Quote Originally Posted by diy01 View Post
    Are your hypothetical scenarios based on the assumption that the majority of voters in Northern Ireland have voted for a united Ireland, and things have reached the stage of negotiating the form a new 32 county State will take? If not, I'd have to vote for e)
    Yes, as per the GFA.
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    f: united in mutual respect, friendship, tolerance and prosperity.

    the rest can be considered means, not ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Yes, as per the GFA.
    Alright, I'll change my vote to b) then. I did notice your mention of unionists in the OP but wanted to be sure first.
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    Other. ( I just looooooooove suprises ! )
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    It is of course up to the people's of Ireland but for this Englishman with some Welsh heritage it has to be full unification. Whether that is a Government ran from Dublin or Belfast as a sop to the Unionists is another matter. If a majority of the people of the North want to stay as part of the UK then that is fine by me. But unification must be just that and the people's of Ireland must face the issues and pick up the cost.
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