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    Congalltee Congalltee is offline

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    Promised Dail Reform: why wasn't it delivered in advance of the Seanad referendum?

    Yes, the Dail sits longer and even sits on the odd Friday to vote down private members bills.

    But guillotines are normal, 5am sittings and because a Few TDs voted on a matter of principle (whether you agree with them or not) they lost chairmanships and MEMBERSHIP of committees because the executive decided so. Even the executive power has tightened around 4 members of the cabinet - contrary to the constitution (perhaps the junior cabinet ministers should take a pay cut?)

    If the executive dominates the legislature so much why would anyone bar insiders and idiots want to weaken the legislature now?

    Is it naive for a government to think the people will trust its promise of reform, given its record to date?

    Why the dickens didn't they reform the Seanad in the first two years of office eg review eu laws, review government appointments (as if), extend its electorate from certain colleges and county councillors?

    And why now? The government - and Seanad - have two plus more years, regardless of the result. What reform can we expect?
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    IbrahaimMohamad IbrahaimMohamad is offline

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    Lets wait and see if the People want to keep the Seanad first!
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    Maybe stuff like stabilising the economy, getting improvements to the terms of Ireland's debt, and re-establishing our credibility for FDI was slightly more urgent. Plus the abortion situation tied up the legislature for months, and of course the EU Presidency takes up a bit of government time.
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    Congalltee Congalltee is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiding behind a poster View Post
    Maybe stuff like stabilising the economy, getting improvements to the terms of Ireland's debt, and re-establishing our credibility for FDI was slightly more urgent. Plus the abortion situation tied up the legislature for months, and of course the EU Presidency takes up a bit of government time.
    So why not leave the referendum to the dying days of this Dail and deliver Dail reform in the meantime?

    Edit: how did they manage the time to cut the pay of 147 public servants via a referendum? And these great workhorses also wanted more work as quasi judges of fact in committee meetings but the People thought it was a power grab and defeated it (much to the bemusement still of some backbench TDs, junior ministers, junior cabinet ministers and members of the economic management council)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    So why not leave the referendum to the dying days of this Dail and deliver Dail reform in the meantime?
    Enda has never used private members time in his 37 years in Leinster House to raise the issue, why now? Grandstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    So why not leave the referendum to the dying days of this Dail and deliver Dail reform in the meantime?
    Good question
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    Promised Dail Reform ..
    Promises ... elections ... politicians ... FG..

    Do you see where I'm going with this?
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    Congalltee Congalltee is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullforward View Post
    Enda has never used private members time in his 37 years in Leinster House to raise the issue, why now? Grandstanding.
    Bar Alan Shatter's Judicial Separation bill and Bacik's one on FGM, can you think of a pmb which has succeeded? Why is the rate it so low? The backbench TDs have legal advice for their bills but there's still no increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiding behind a poster View Post
    Maybe stuff like stabilising the economy, getting improvements to the terms of Ireland's debt, and re-establishing our credibility for FDI was slightly more urgent. Plus the abortion situation tied up the legislature for months, and of course the EU Presidency takes up a bit of government time.
    You know what? It is NOT slightly more urgent, or even more urgent.

    If we had a properly functioning democracy, much of what befell us would have been subject to far more scrutiny, and many of the nutty deregulation and light touch regulation decisions would not have been taken.

    Even now, the urgent need is to fix the causes of the crash, so it doesn't happen again.

    At the moment, we are just digging more holes for ourselves to fall into later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    So why not leave the referendum to the dying days of this Dail and deliver Dail reform in the meantime?
    Well as I recall, the commitment was to have the Seanad referendum in the first 12 months - that turned out not to be possible, but they should still do it as early as was possible, i.e now.

    Edit: how did they manage the time to cut the pay of 147 public servants via a referendum? And these great workhorses also wanted more work as quasi judges of fact in committee meetings but the People thought it was a power grab and defeated it (much to the bemusement still of some backbench TDs, junior ministers, junior cabinet ministers and members of the economic management council)
    Those referenda required far less legislative work, the seanad being mentioned in the Constitution meant far more.
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