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    Mossy Heneberry Mossy Heneberry is offline
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    Politicians only tell people what they want to hear.

    Most people these days see politicians as a child sees Santa Claus. They believe that a politician can give them anything.

    What to do? First things first, reduce the number of politicians (TDs and councillours) for a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
    Politicians don't lie, but once they're in office they get access to 'all the facts.' This is when they tell you that they can't fulfill the promises they made.

    Therefore they never lied.
    Like the FG manifesto on "Property Tax" or Roscommon hospital?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sport02 View Post
    Enda Kenny hears your pain.

    I could only watch the first minute. Can we sue this prat for breach of contract?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antiestablishmentarian View Post
    This and previous governments have used spin, propoganda, lies and fearmongering to manipulate the electorate and get themselves voted into power. Anyone with a brain will remember Leo Varadkar's 'not another red cent to failed banks' spiel and Gilmore's 'Labour's way or Frankfurt's way' speeches. Of course Fianna Fáil lied and too numerous times and got elected for it, so the question remains, how can politicians and their lackeys like the party hacks who troll this and similar forums be prevented from using dishonest methods to get into power?

    There is one method that could be used to keep them on the straight and narrow: fear. A bill which introduced the concept of lying to be elected to political office as electoral fraud, be it to a county council or the Oireachtas, could do the trick. Those who are elected to public office and,like the current and previous government, implement policies the opposite of those they were elected to carry out, should face a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years, with no parole eligibilty for 12 years and their civil rights, citizenship and passport stripped from them upon release.
    I'm not sure that either qualifies a a lie. Particularly Gilmore's. He gave two options and it turned out to be (b).

    I think half, no maybe 2/3rds of what comes out of Uncle Joe's mouths to be lies, but you'd disagree. What you are suggesting is daft. I can't see how any politician that was pretty certain of being in opposition (like Uncle Joe & co) would be prevented from telling lies. Joe could tell us that he'd tax the rich and give free stuff to the poor and balance the budget by June , but even an outrageous suggestion like that would never be put to the test and therefore never be a 'lie'.
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    In a word NO

    Unfortunate but true, they will say and promise anything to get their snouts into the political trough and to ensure they stay there and benefit as much as possible.
    When confronted with their lies, they will just say sorry (not apologise, but SAY sorry) and how it is out of their hands and for the best of the larger group.
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    9, The party Faithful
    10, The Electorate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
    I could only watch the first minute. Can we sue this prat for breach of contract?
    It was his 2007 bright idea to engage in honest promises, he binned the idea for last year's election.
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    By instituting some sort of "power of recall" for TDs, Senators, and Councillors. Meanwhile we should also introduce a mechanism whereby the people can, in effect, suspend the Dáil and call a GE if a government is found wanting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
    Politicians don't lie, but once they're in office they get access to 'all the facts.' This is when they tell you that they can't fulfill the promises they made.

    Therefore they never lied.
    And...?

    The problem here isn't the politicians, it is the stoopid electorate. Any adult who believes any electoral 'promise' shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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    MrFunkyBoogaloo MrFunkyBoogaloo is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    And...?

    The problem here isn't the politicians, it is the stoopid electorate. Any adult who believes any electoral 'promise' shouldn't be allowed to vote.
    I agree somewhat. Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me. Some people seem to be fooled again and again and again.

    So, we go by Manifestos... which, once elected, are lightly thrown aside by political parties.

    Leaving us with...
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    All politicians are liars the moment they become aware that they are expected not to represent their constituency but the party. The moment they neglect to tell the party whips to get stuffed they become professional liars from there on in because the system works in such a way that the constituents are left under the impression their TD is there to represent them. The party whips know otherwise. The party system is the actual basic corruption of the western democratic system.

    Even the party members across the country are lied to because the party top brass are going to do what their biggest donors say and not what the membership says.

    Even Independent TDs have to water down their representation of their constituency because they are obliged to form a de facto party in the Dail in order to compete for speaking/questions against the corrupt bigger parties. All the rest is choerography led by the speaker who is really only a stage director.

    And that is before you even get to the bedrock corrupt cultural nature of Irish politics which never went through the stage between petty local chiefs and democracy. We call what we've got democracy but it is backward and rigged even when measured against the Greek model of 2,500 years ago.
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