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    I can see the logic of a two parliament federal United Irish Republic one for the rest and one for the former north.

    I don't see the nessesity of having a Munster or Connaght parliament though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    By PSF or RSF ?
    I would imagine RSF as PSF rejected it many years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    By PSF or RSF ?
    By RSF (of which Ruairí Ó Brádaigh is the patron). PSF have no interest in Éire Nua.
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    Quote Originally Posted by former wesleyan View Post
    No link. Is this the old PSF promotion from the '70's. Partition by another name ?
    It is not partition, it is a document proposing a federal united Ireland, each province of Ireland would have their own parliament that would govern the relative province, there would be a national parliament based somewhere in central Ireland.

    This would give the people in each province relative autonomy but as part of an over all united Ireland.
    Apparently Unionist leaders revealed in talks in the 70's that they favoured this concept over the idea of an extended 26 counties or direct rule from London.
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    Quote Originally Posted by damon View Post
    As it was thought up by top Provisionals Ruairí Ó Brádaigh and Dáithí Ó Conaill it is probably completely discredited.
    It wouldn't even have majority support in the Republic, let alone with Unionists.
    It shows what fantasists they were back then too.
    It was an official Sinn Fein policy document until Adams and McG took over PSF, the Northern Republicans were against the idea because they felt it gave the Unionists too much power. It is great concept in my opinion but may need to be tweaked a little.

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    To the 1971 document - "a reign of social justice based on Christian principles" ? (not wanting digs about the Christianity of the IRA) - I cannot imagine that would sit well today.

    Moving on the the 1979 reissue - as with so many SF documents, loses out early with this sort of comment

    "OVER THE last decade a war of national liberation has been waged to secure an end to British imperialism in Ireland."

    They just lost many of the people with whom they are supposedly seeking to engage.

    Contrast that with the beginning of Common Sense from of all people the UDA or later on the Good Friday Agreement:

    1. We, the participants in the multi-party negotiations, believe that the agreement we have negotiated offers a truly historic opportunity for a new beginning.
    2. The tragedies of the past have left a deep and profoundly regrettable legacy of suffering. We must never forget those who have died or been injured, and their families. But we can best honour them through a fresh start, in which we firmly dedicate ourselves to the achievement of reconciliation, tolerance, and mutual trust, and to the protection and vindication of the human rights of all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicalCandy View Post
    I can see the logic of a two parliament federal United Irish Republic one for the rest and one for the former north.

    I don't see the nessesity of having a Munster or Connaght parliament though.
    But with a 26 + 6 county federation the 6 Counties would get outvoted every time at federal level. Plus the 6 Counties has an inbuilt Unionist majority so they might not be too happy about that. The people of Connacht and Munster surely deserve as much of a hearing as the people of the 6 Counties too don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TropicalCandy View Post
    I can see the logic of a two parliament federal United Irish Republic one for the rest and one for the former north.

    I don't see the nessesity of having a Munster or Connaght parliament though.
    Munster and Connaught parliaments could dedicate mote time to their areas. For Connaught in particular, rural depopulation would be tackled head on and there would be more iniatives to attract employment to the west.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogie View Post
    But with a 26 + 6 county federation the 6 Counties would get outvoted every time at federal level. Plus the 6 Counties has an inbuilt Unionist majority so they might not be too happy about that. The people of Connacht and Munster surely deserve as much of a hearing as the people of the 6 Counties too don't you think?
    The Connacht and Munster proposals were add ons to a solution directed at the causes and problems related to partition.A federal arrangement between Belfast and Dublin with more powers to the local level would be the best starting point for a Eire Nua 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eméid MacCearain View Post
    with hindsight seems quite progressive... totally unworkable tho!
    Unworkable in it's proposed form. But if the Provinces were further sub-divided(and Athlone as CAPITAL!?! WTF!?!), and made into federal units (albeit not as much power as the Devolved governments of the U.K.), It would be a good idea. I had the same one myself when I was wondering how to integrate the Unionists.
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