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There is certainly a lot of talk on p.ie these days about new political parties and all that so the last time some of us were in a kind Irish political webchat thing - which you can see in this writers signature - we did our best to come up with a list of principles that we think might be used by a new Irish poltical movement. (I want to make it clear though that many people who come to said chat would probably wish to put the emphasis on different points, there is a wide variety of opinions represented there actually.) So here it is anyway if people here would like to have a go at it!
You might ask whats the point of all this, well at least it shows, in my opinion anyway, that the basic principles can usually be agreed easily enough by any group of sincere Irish activists, and in fact that all this left/right talk, and the kaliedescope of isms that people pull from abroad, often just artificially divide people and add an unnecessary layer of waffle and theory on top of a political movement.
1. We feel that nationalism - a feeling of pride, shared history, collective endeavour, mutual security, and togetherness in a country - is a force for good and we strongly feel that Ireland should remain independent and in so far as it isn't it should strive to achieve independence. In particular we feel it should leave the EU and any other over powerful supra-national organisation which strives to get in the way of Irish peopl e deciding their own destiny within the island. We also feel that Ireland's natural resources, including oil and gas, should not be sequestered by shady deals involving huge multinational organisations and indeed we feel that our economic destiny is best served by focusing on supporting the indigenous population working in native owned enterprises.
This aim of protecting Irish sovereignty and independence also applies, we think, to the question of immigration. We are of the view that uncontrolled immigration of very large numbers of people with no prior connection to Ireland or its Diaspora, as has occurred in the last few years, is not healthy to the long term cohesion of Irish society or fair to the hard pressed Irish taxpayer or job seeker. We feel therefore that it should be curtailed with an exception made for people of Irish ethnicity due to the sincere attachment many of whom feel for Ireland.
2. We stand against the current over hyped wave of anti-clericalism washing across Ireland and instead are of the view that traditional Christian principles are a great support, and indeed a necessity, for an harmonious society. The ten commandments - and with it those groups that teach and advocate these commandments -, for example, which encourage people to tell the truth and settle in sincere and strong family structures etc, are as positive an influence on society in this era as much as in any other.
3. We reject the outdated left/right labels as all too often just artificial tools used to label and then divide the small number of sincere Irish political activists. But from what is perceived to be the 'right wing' we take the spirit of self reliance, suspicion of government power and control and reaffirmation of civil liberties; and from the 'left' we take the concern to focus on the betterment or protection of all people in society, young and old, men and women, rich and poor, the student and the banker, and the sense that making money for its own sake should never be hyped as legitimately the sole aim of individuals or society at large, alongwith the sense of suspicion of US foreign policy and some giant multinational corporations, like Shell in Mayo, and attachment to Irish neutrality.
How to achieve that aforementioned betterment we leave to the individual issues and circumstances but would hope that well directed private enterprise could provide the means to assist these sectors and would only favour a state controlled solution where the former is unavailable or where well recognised market failures occur.
We also feel that public policy should aim towards a general economic fairness to all citizens, and in the current era this means that we feel that the inflated salaries many people in the senior ranks of the Irish state pay themseleves, should come down dramatically, to somewhere close to the level that many Irish taxpayers have to struggle with.
4. We support the traditional Civil Liberties which are often contained in old English Common Law principles that are under attack in Ireland today, particularly from the EU. These include the right of:
- 'Trial by Jury', under attack from the EU arrest warrants which are now being used against people who are not being charged under Irish law, and from the abolition of the 'Double Jeopardy' right;
- 'Innocence until Proven Guilty', which is in practice being eroded by the massive use of Orwellian state 'vetting' and registration procedures used against citizens applying for work, even as volunteers, all across Ireland;
- 'Fair Use', the right to copy and reproduce information of use to the general public and academics etc, which is under attack from over hyped - and generally EU inspired - anti-piracy and copyright laws;
- and the right to 'Freedom of Speech', which is continually being undermined psychologically by the use of often false PC standards of morality and via various legal excuses (including clearly inaccurate and manipulative use of sub iudice and libel laws) etc etc.
5. We feel that the current era is characterised by massive systemic failures of the media and other groups to inform truthfully the general public on many of the most important issues effecting society. Caused in part by giant corporations controlling and dishonestly manipulating the information flow through huge media conglomerates, in part by self serving manipulation of the information controlled by governments and its security apparatus, and in part by a herd like and unthoughtful mentality in many academic institutions, this atmosphere has given rise to large numbers of people dismissing as 'conspiracy theories' facts that need to be taken seriously. This includes disturbing details about the events of 9-11 and the revelations about security force control of paramilitary groups - on both sides - during the. Troubles in the North of Ireland, on Climate Change and the deleterious effects of wind farms, the implications of poisonous chemicals being added to the water supply in Ireland, and the question of whether or not Occult groups or other secretive groupings wield a disproportionate influence on society and in particular in central banking - including the US Federal Reserve Board and the ECB - and over current Irish political leaders and even online Irish political fora.
6. We feel that Ireland as a country is only liable to pay back legitimately incurred national debts, and that the debts incurred as a result of the mysterious and precipitous bank guarantee, as a result of NAMA, and as a result of EU and euro pressure and alleged 'bailouts', are most definitely not legitimate.
7. While tax needs to be collected in some form we reject the model of income tax and would abolish it. The reason is that this tax uniquely gives rise to massive state surveillance over the citizens in society, and huge unnecessary and expensive bureaucracy both on the part of the state collecting the tax and the citizen paying it.
Well that's it and hopefully it will provoke some discussion if nothing else. Don't forget if you are interested you can join the chat yourself next Friday at 10pm Irish time.
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Originally Posted by scolairebocht
