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    Government's Transparency Policy seen as too transparent for NGO's.

    This is simply astonishing.


    RTÉ News has learned that a group of the country's largest human rights organisations have written to the Government to express "serious concern" over the rules concerning political donations.


    According to the letter, seen by RTÉ's This Week programme, the organisations have warned if they are forced by the Standards in Public Office Commission (SIPOC) to register as so-called third parties, it could prevent many of them from raising the money to fund their activities and even put some out of operation.


    The group which wrote to Minister for Housing, Planning and Local Government Eoghan Murphy in recent weeks includes the Irish Council of Civil Liberties, Amnesty Ireland, and Transparency International Ireland.


    The trio say they are also writing on behalf of a large number of other smaller NGOs.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0903/901936-ngos-sipoc/


    Someone please correct me, because it sounds so ludicrous.

    The government is putting in place one of the best anti-corruption policies around.
    This forces people to register when giving political donations.
    Unfortunately, it apparently doesn't suit various 'charities', as they believe such openness may affect their ability to rake in donations from anonymous sources.
    Thereby forcing the likes of Transparency International Ireland to say 'No' to transparency.

    Someone please tell me I'm reading it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    This is simply astonishing.



    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0903/901936-ngos-sipoc/


    Someone please correct me, because it sounds so ludicrous.

    The government is putting in place one of the best anti-corruption policies around.
    This forces people to register when giving political donations.
    Unfortunately, it apparently doesn't suit various 'charities', as they believe such openness may affect their ability to rake in donations from anonymous sources.
    Thereby forcing the likes of Transparency International Ireland to say 'No' to transparency.

    Someone please tell me I'm reading it wrong.
    You are reading it wrong.................
    The NGOs have not criticised the commission, but they have warned that the legislation under which SIPOC deals with NGOs and the issue of alleged donations for political purposes was dangerously vague.
    They also believe that this vagueness in the law has allowed it to be interpreted differently than it had previously been by SIPOC, with potentially devastating consequences for the civil society organisations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    You are reading it wrong.................
    The NGOs have not criticised the commission, but they have warned that the legislation under which SIPOC deals with NGOs and the issue of alleged donations for political purposes was dangerously vague.
    They also believe that this vagueness in the law has allowed it to be interpreted differently than it had previously been by SIPOC, with potentially devastating consequences for the civil society organisations.
    Yep.
    I got that bit.
    But are they saying that it's too vague because it's going to force them to be more transparent than they would otherwise like ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    Yep.
    I got that bit.
    But are they saying that it's too vague because it's going to force them to be more transparent than they would otherwise like ?
    In terms of processing donations, yes.

    No bad thing potentially, given the unfettered access the like of Colm O'Gorman has to policy makers.
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    SIPO will continue to apply different standards to different organisations.
    Funding a softening-up campaign | The Irish Catholic
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    Article says that SIPO-registered entities cannot receive donations larger that 2500 Euros from a single source in any one year.

    That's the sticking point for these NGO's.

    Atlantic Philanthropies comes to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okibb View Post
    Article says that SIPO-registered entities cannot receive donations larger that 2500 Euros from a single source in any one year.

    That's the sticking point for these NGO's.

    Atlantic Philanthropies comes to mind.

    But they can if the source is revealed ?
    Also, would AP be 'caught' if it didn't give political donations ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    This is simply astonishing.



    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0903/901936-ngos-sipoc/


    Someone please correct me, because it sounds so ludicrous.

    The government is putting in place one of the best anti-corruption policies around.
    This forces people to register when giving political donations.
    Unfortunately, it apparently doesn't suit various 'charities', as they believe such openness may affect their ability to rake in donations from anonymous sources.
    Thereby forcing the likes of Transparency International Ireland to say 'No' to transparency.

    Someone please tell me I'm reading it wrong.
    Fuk'm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    SIPO will continue to apply different standards to different organisations.
    Funding a softening-up campaign | The Irish Catholic
    Very interesting article.

    NGO's involved in political activities receiving more than 100Euros in donations cannot receive donations from abroad.

    Abortion Rights Campaign had to return their Soros money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okibb View Post
    Very interesting article.

    NGO's involved in political activities receiving more than 100Euros in donations cannot receive donations from abroad.

    Abortion Rights Campaign had to return their Soros money.
    But not Amnesty International Ireland. Go figure!
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