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    rockofcashel rockofcashel is offline
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    Speaking right in the next Dail.. who'll have them ?

    Well, the make up of the Dail looks like its going to take a while..

    But it's going to be an interesting one no doubt

    Obviously FG, FF and SF have already more than 7 seats.. so they will have speaking rights as of right..

    But who else is likely to have them

    Labour are currently on 3 seats.. with Kelly likely to win a seat in Tipp tomorrow.. they've a couple of more possibles.. Humphries for example in DBS, O Riordan in DBN, Brendan Ryan in Fingal.. and Nash in Louth.. all in, they'd have 8.. two losses.. and Humphries, Nash and O Riordan are far from certs.. and they could be marooned on 5/6

    AAA-PBP have 4.. with Mick Barry looking good in Cork, and Brid Smith in DSC.. but that's just six.

    The Independent Alliance have 4.. but only Finian Mc Grath and Boxer Moran left with any shout.. leaving them on 6

    The Social Democrats have only 3..


    So could we be left in a situation in the Dail.. where only the three main parties, FG, FF and SF.. will have automatic speaking rights.. and almost 30 "others" will be left in a huge Technical group.. fighting for rights to speak each day in the Dail

    Will we perhaps start to see some of the "Independents" re classify themselves to get extra speaking rights.. for example Tommy Broughan maybe moving from "Independent" to "Independent Alliance" to secure more speaking rights..

    Maybe Clare Daly and Mick Wallace joining the AAA-PBP.. or maybe even the IA, just to leave the AAA-PBP marooned

    Will.. the hard left, cede such a position to SF ..

    How will the Technical group decide who will "chair" them and dole out speaking rights..

    This could be very very interesting in the days and weeks ahead
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockofcashel View Post
    ... So could we be left in a situation in the Dail.. where only the three main parties, FG, FF and SF.. will have automatic speaking rights.. and almost 30 "others" will be left in a huge Technical group.. fighting for rights to speak each day in the Dail

    Will we perhaps start to see some of the "Independents" re classify themselves to get extra speaking rights.. for example Tommy Broughan maybe moving from "Independent" to "Independent Alliance" to secure more speaking rights..

    Maybe Clare Daly and Mick Wallace joining the AAA-PBP.. or maybe even the IA, just to leave the AAA-PBP marooned

    Will.. the hard left, cede such a position to SF ..

    How will the Technical group decide who will "chair" them and dole out speaking rights..

    This could be very very interesting in the days and weeks ahead
    Won't it all come down in the end to the decisions of the Ceann Comhairle.

    It's his responsibility to ensure all TDs get speaking time in the Dáil chamber.

    Barrett defends move on Dáil speaking rights - RTÉ News
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    Dáil standing orders and not the CC determine the 'speaking rights' issue and not the CC. The new Dail can change the rules - should it wish but that is unlikely. It would seem unfair that there will be a very large number of TDs not members of any 7+ grouping or party. Then again it would be very unwieldy if there were a huge or unmanageable number. So, change the rules. Would the FG, FF and SF allow that? If SF is the lead opposition party would it not like to have the limelight?
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    Renua are only 7 seats away from getting speaking rights...
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    There is a real opportunity here for the smaller parties, they could put together a temporary government with whomever will join them of the bigger parties and rearrange the way the Dail does business.
    How much better it would be if we had a Dail that held the cabinet to account and that allowed real debate on issues without interfering CCs and guillotines?
    It would be very tough to put such a temporary grouping together but...
    Would love to see the SDs get speaking rights but at this stage it looks like that would only be in conjunction with some others, maybe some sympathetic indos.
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    Very few speak right. Most of them can't put a sentence together.
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    Most of the independents will have no interest in speaking more than twice a year, they want to spend their time lobbying.
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    Change the rules .
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    Groups or individuals cannot combine to get speaking rights as a designated parliamentary group. You must have stood in the election as a candidate for that party to be designated as a member of that party.

    At the moment only FF/FG/SF have speaking rights and everyone else will be part of the Technical Group jockeying to get some time in the Dail.

    The LP will have a minimum of 5 and could get 8
    AaAA/PBP have 6 (pending a recount) - and an outside shot at 7

    The system is utterly archaic and designed to protect the interests of the bigger parties and should be scrapped. It should allow smaller groups to come to technical arrangements to get over the 7 seat minimum to facilitate a better representation of public opinion in Dail debates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathew Peachew View Post
    Very few speak right. Most of them can't put a sentence together.
    Lots of them speak "right".
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