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    lostexpectation lostexpectation is offline

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    Seanad nominating bodies

    Is it just the boards of the nominating bodies who nominate?

    see list under nominating bodies http://dublinstreams.com/tds/exhibit/senators.html

    they were discussing a bill the other day adding LAMA as a new nominating body Seanad Electoral (Panel...: 20 Oct 2010: Seanad debates (KildareStreet.com)
    another councillor representative body don't know how it differs from the others
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    In Seanad today while discussing the Seanad Reform bill they said groups had trouble becoming nominating bodies, because of the arcane process.

    The Seanad Reform document does not suggest getting rid of the nominating via nominating bodies process, but will people getting to vote for half the Seanad seats lead to a broader or non-party political group of people being nominated through these bodies? (while there is still a want from the government parties to have a firm majority in the Seanad).

    Senator Zappone http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....ocument#O00100
    Prior to getting into the proper debate on the Seanad referendum we gathered a group of civil society organisations to inform them about what the vocational aspect of the Seanad meant, and to invite them to consider being nominating bodies as part of our agenda to open up the Seanad and connect with the public. Vocational for us meant sectoral in particular. I like how the various vocational panels are renamed in the report to cover public administration and social services including voluntary social activities. Through the experience, my colleagues and I found that even when we tried to inform civil society groups about what being a registered body meant and about nominating candidates to become part of a panel there was still confusion. As we encouraged them to become registering bodies and they engaged with the Clerk of the Seanad - and I agree with all of the comments made about the Clerk of the Seanad - we found it seemed to be very difficult to go through the process to become a registering body. This is partly because much of the process is based on antiquated law and procedures. In addition to an information campaign to encourage more bodies to register we need to modernise how registration happens and the criteria for organisations to register. One of the stumbling blocks we found is many bodies which want to register may not be considered charities because they are civil rights organisations.


    is this the latest form of this form S.I. No. 91/1954 - Seanad Electoral (Panel Members) (Prescribed Forms) Regulations, 1954.
    8 (2) (b) a body shall not be eligible to be registered in the register in respect of any particular panel unless either—
    (I) (i) its objects primarily relate to or are connected with the interests and services mentioned in subsection 10 of Section 7 of Article 18 of the Constitution in respect of that particular panel, and
    (ii) its activities are concerned mainly with such interests and services, or
    (II) its members are representative of persons who have knowledge and practical experience of such interests and services ;
    so what they need to do is form civil rights workers association and then have that body apply.

    Seanad Reform working group report http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Work...eb_version.pdf
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    The largest quango of all. Let's have that referendum again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stakerwallace View Post
    The largest quango of all. Let's have that referendum again.
    Sod that, extend vote to the general public and make it a mere stipend of €10K. that would stop the journeymen. So what it is "elitist" to have only the independently wealthy there, but that is less elitist than it is now.
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    lostexpectation lostexpectation is offline

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    new or removed nomination bodies for Seanad candidates since 2011 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    5 removed 11 added

    the Association of County and City and
    Association of Municipal Authorities of Ireland which were merged into the Association of Irish Local Government but it hasn't been added...?
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    The senead should be voted for in a general election. The candidates should be able to stand on their own cognition without approval from anyone else.

    Salary should be minimum wage plus expenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesiscorporation View Post
    The senead should be voted for in a general election. The candidates should be able to stand on their own cognition without approval from anyone else.

    Salary should be minimum wage plus expenses.

    Before the referendum all the reform proposals from the pro Seanad lobby had proposed salary cuts to senators , including the main proposal from Crown and Zappa??? senator , after the vote all mention of salary cuts were dropped from every proposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betson View Post
    Before the referendum all the reform proposals from the pro Seanad lobby had proposed salary cuts to senators , including the main proposal from Crown and Zappa??? senator , after the vote all mention of salary cuts were dropped from every proposal.
    which "every proposal" after the referendum from Crown and Zappone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostexpectation View Post
    which "every proposal"
    They were all coming out with stuff about how they were going to reform it from top to bottom, all agreeing that they knew they were over paid.

    I remember one of them was released to big fanfare which recommended a 50% cut , a modified version was re-released after the vote with a few changes including the salary cut omitted , the press picked up on it at the time..

    Howe long ago is that referendum now? other than yet another white paper has there been any real progress?

    Although it has to be said the Government are well within their rights to do nothing on the issue as the people did not vote for reform but voted to keep it as it is , this was very clear before the vote that if you wanted real reform then the option was to scrap it and start again bUt the people voted they were happy with the status quo, and that is exactly what they got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betson View Post
    They were all coming out with stuff about how they were going to reform it from top to bottom, all agreeing that they knew they were over paid.

    I remember one of them was released to big fanfare which recommended a 50% cut , a modified version was re-released after the vote with a few changes including the salary cut omitted , the press picked up on it at the time..
    they havn't republished an altered bill afaik so setting the Senators pay to 50% of a TDs pay (a reduction of ~ 33% if you take todays salaries) hasn't been removed. http://senatorkatherinezappone.ie/in...e-seanad/bill/
    Howe long ago is that referendum now? other than yet another white paper has there been any real progress?
    tell that to Kenny


    Although it has to be said the Government are well within their rights to do nothing on the issue as the people did not vote for reform but voted to keep it as it is , this was very clear before the vote that if you wanted real reform then the option was to scrap it and start again bUt the people voted they were happy with the status quo, and that is exactly what they got.
    well kenny is saying he going to reform it now
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