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With FG proposing a referendum on abolishing the Seanad Id like to ask for compelling reasons for holding such a referendum
The Labour Party is a "betrayal to it's principles and objectives"(Pat Rabbitte)
Up to people to decide - Cann't think of anything more compelling then that
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Of course the people will decide when its put before them - compelling reasons why this issue should be put before them?
The Labour Party is a "betrayal to it's principles and objectives"(Pat Rabbitte)
Full of failed Dail candidates.Originally Posted by pjoz
Scandalously undemocratic.
Waste of Money.
Protects privilege.
(I get the feeling this could be a bit like the Life of Brian sketch where after all the reasons are given John Cleese keepscoming back and says "Hmmm, yes but what else?")
Nobody I have ever spoken to about it can think of a single reason for it to exist.
Politics is theatre, the Dail is musical theatre, the Seanad is mime.
Spend 850,000 euros turning it into a cloakroom I say. They should be able to handle that.
Last edited by sauntersplash; 15th March 2010 at 10:29 AM.
"Well, while I'm here, I'll do the work - and what's the work? To ease the pain of living. Everything else, drunken dumbshow." - Allen Ginsberg Memory Gardens
Is there a fear in FG that in power the Seanad may keep yer excesses in check?
Your list could equally apply to Dail Eireann.
Is that next on the blueshirt hit list?Ye do have a tradition of supporting a facist dictatorship after all.Is the new shouting Enda modelled on any European leader of the past I wonder?
The Labour Party is a "betrayal to it's principles and objectives"(Pat Rabbitte)
Well, with the exception of the "undemocratic" bit, you could make much the same arguments about the Dail. It is totally tame and just rubberstamps everything the Government wants (by Government I mean the Executive (i.e. the Ministers) rather than the parties).
Offhand, I can't think of any occassion when the Dail took an independent line on legislation from the Government/Executive. Likewise, when was the last time a Government lost a vote in the Dail? Was it the "VAT on Shoes" budget back in 1981 or 1982?
If we want to save money we could probably abolish the Dail also. Just elect 15 Ministers and 15 Junior Ministers to run the state. After all, if the Dail just rubberstamps Government decisions then the Opposition TDs and the Government back-bench TDs are just wasting their time there.
PS A Senate is not necessarily supposed to democratic. Most of them are there to counterbalance the fact that one or more groups can dominate the lower house.
The hubris of Fine Gael 'revolutionaries' is nauseating, anything to distract from their abject failure in opposition to usurp this vile FF/G government: their culpability is manifest in their complacency.
Abolitionism is reactionary knee-jerk baloney, throwing the babe out with the bathwater. The Senate should be made fit for purpose not disestablished - honestly who comes up with this ill-thought-out populist sh*t??
Just more evidence that the polarised disfunctional Legislative Estate is riven by partisanship - why can't the 166 members of the other House just park their differences and work together.
The proposed referendum is baloney and should be opposed by all right thinking members of society.
It's broke but we can fix it.
Our Constitution basically guarantee the fact that the government will always have a majority in the Seanad by giving the Taoiseach 13 nominees. The only exception to that is when the government changes mid election like in 1994.
Our current Seanad since it was created in 1937 has never kept a government in check and it was devised in 1937 with the intention that it would never be able to do that.
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Why do you have to post sh*te like this? It ruins debate.
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