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About LinkBacksIf the Dail pass a motion to put a referendum forward on the Seanad, can the Seanad block it any more than they can block a piece of legislation passed by the Dail?Originally Posted by wombat
If the Dail pass a motion to put a referendum forward on the Seanad, can the Seanad block it any more than they can block a piece of legislation passed by the Dail?
It will indeed and than it will be up to the voters.
It should be an interesting campaign anyway and I wish anyone who tries to defend our current Seanid well. I don't think you could create a more useless institution if you tried, although of course it was Dev's intention to create a useless institution.
"Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."
It was Dev's intention to create a back up plan for any friends who failed to get elected democratically.
Exactly.
"Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."
He succeeded, now we have a chance to correct the mistake.
Mind you in the days when it was neither profitable nor popular, the Seanad allowed one woman to hack away effectively at Dev's Ireland and its pernicious symbiosis with the Roman Catholic church.
This man too used the platform to effect important legislative changes.
You should listen to my bias, not the other side’s bias.
I feel I should warn you there is very little point in illustrating any positive contributions made by Seanad Eireann. Falling on deaf ears and only distracting from the core issue. What tangible benefits would be achieved by abolishing it? It seems to me FG have no real answers...Mind you in the days when it was neither profitable nor popular, the Seanad allowed one woman to hack away effectively at Dev's Ireland and its pernicious symbiosis with the Roman Catholic church.
This man too used the platform to effect important legislative changes.
The Labour Party is a "betrayal to it's principles and objectives"(Pat Rabbitte)
The university senators have earned their pay,and only for Senator Regan O Dea would still be in government,
PJOZ in the voice of John Cleese from the Life of Brian) "So apart from the undemocratic nature, its costs, its protection of privilege, its over representation, its utter uselessness....apart from all this.....give me one good reason why we should have a referendum on the Seanad?"
No matter which Senators are good or bad, the entire institution is undemocratic.
I went to the "wrong" university, DCU, so I don't get to vote. Even if the franchise were extended to DCU and UL, we would then have a situation where those who went to Institutes of Tech, or went to college abroad....or God forbid didn't go to college won't get a vote.
I agree that Eugene Regan did an excellent job and there are some excellent Senators, but it is obscenely undemocratic.
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