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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero View Post
    Because that would invite Deputy A to have a quiet word with Minister B, who would firmly pursue the matter with Senior Civil Servant C, who would then transfer the request to Junior Civil Servant D, with the message being put out that the principled fool who said no to Deputy A had now acquired a black mark on his unwritten HR record.

    The only thing to prevent this victimisation would be for the unions to insist on a new system. But they've shown they're happy with any shambles, Tallaght Hospital included, so long as their pay and conditions is looked after.

    Getting back to this farcical work to rule, it doesn't hurt the government and it doesn't impress the public. Is it really just a case of letting of steam since they don't want to lose pay on an all-out strike, and are even fearful of losing the strike should the public side with the government?
    The reason CPSU is trying to avoid a strike is because its members generally earn under 25k a year. Someone earning as little as this (especially living in Dublin) is very unlikely to have any savings to live on while a prolonged strike takes place.

    Now you may say it is cowardly not to go for all out strike, and you are entitled to that opinion (in fact, personally, I agree with you to a point), but surely the most depressing thing about this is that the government has targetted people on such low incomes (the very people who are least able to fight back in terms of striking).

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    Equally entertaining is that the Passport Office has killed off the "special" desk that dealt with TD's requests for passports for constituents. A scandal that the facility existed at all of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalywise View Post
    Equally entertaining is that the Passport Office has killed off the "special" desk that dealt with TD's requests for passports for constituents. A scandal that the facility existed at all of course.
    Why? TDs spend alot of time assisting people who cannot fill out forms for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cochrane View Post
    From RTE...



    RTÉ News: Oireachtas workers start email boycott

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    The quicker the Dept of Finance implements Brian Crowley's suggestion in today's Irish Times the better. His letter:

    Madam, – In this dire economic environment, one obvious and justified way for the Government to raise money would be for it to enforce the contract it has with its employees.

    If they, for example, refuse to take telephone calls, this reduces their productivity by, say, 10 per cent. A similar deduction from their pay should be made. In the private sector, if an employee refuses to carry out instructions given in the normal course of his work, he can be dismissed. A huge amount of taxpayers’ money would be saved if a similar approach were to be adopted in the public sector.

    Instead of lifetime security in a an undemanding job, a large number of State employees would find themselves joining an increasing number of their private sector brethren on the street. Taxes could be reduced, the national debt diminished and the largely parasitic public employees would be available for real productive work elsewhere. – Yours, etc,

    BRIAN CROWLEY

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    Quote Originally Posted by petervalhala View Post
    Why? TDs spend alot of time assisting people who cannot fill out forms for themselves.
    Why would they need a special desk to process them?
    Nothing will motivate the lazy / apathetic / Americanised / west-British types to embrace their culture and the Irish language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petervalhala View Post
    Why? TDs spend alot of time assisting people who cannot fill out forms for themselves.
    There is absolutely no problem with a TD assisting a person fill out a form for themselves. However, once that form has been filled out, it should then be given back to the person, to be submitted by the person, in exactly the same way to be processed along with every other application that has been submitted that has not been filled out by a TD. There should be no "special desk" for forms filled out by TD's, or anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockofcashel View Post
    There is absolutely no problem with a TD assisting a person fill out a form for themselves. However, once that form has been filled out, it should then be given back to the person, to be submitted by the person, in exactly the same way to be processed along with every other application that has been submitted that has not been filled out by a TD. There should be no "special desk" for forms filled out by TD's, or anyone else.
    The desk doesn't benefit the TD, but the person who they are representing; perhaps the person is unable to visit their office themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petervalhala View Post
    The desk doesn't benefit the TD, but the person who they are representing; perhaps the person is unable to visit their office themselves?
    Doesn't benefit the TD.

    In this gombeen, clientest, slightly democratic Republic you think that a TD getting a passport through quick for you (and by definition diverting resources from the processing of other passports) does not benefit the TD?


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    Quote Originally Posted by petervalhala View Post
    The desk doesn't benefit the TD, but the person who they are representing; perhaps the person is unable to visit their office themselves?
    No desk at the Passport office, or any other public service provider is meant to benefit a TD, it is merely there to provide a public service. Therefore, why should any public service provider have a specific desk which TD's or other elected members use.

    As I have already said, if a TD or anyone else who helps someone assisting in filling out a form, does so, why don't they simply return the form to the person they have assisted, to send the form to a public service provider, to be dealt with in the exact same way as anyone who has filled in a form without the assistance of a TD or other person ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalywise View Post
    Equally entertaining is that the Passport Office has killed off the "special" desk that dealt with TD's requests for passports for constituents. A scandal that the facility existed at all of course.
    Its an ill wind then as this facility should NOT exist. Perhaps a list of who abusing should be done.

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