[QUOTE=An Gilladaker;2206942]If Kenny meant business he would announce as and from today all FG TDs and Senators will
take a pay cut of 50% this will save money from to day not in 10 years time after a costly referendum and will put the pressure on FF and the other parties[/Q
Brainless post! Would love to see any CEO telling all the employees there is a 50% pay cut on the way. Really smart move...
I am all for getting rid of Ivana though!
You don't abolish the Seanad - you make it the principal chamber of the Parliament representing the nation - the lower chamber, the Dáil, becomes the local representation (which it is de facto at present because of our system of parish pump politics) and abolish the local councils. The numbers work, 60 national representatives and 166 local is perfectly adequate for the size of country we have.Originally Posted by SamVimesBoots
Would you be planning to shift the power to decide on the Taoiseach to the Seanad too? Otherwise, it isn't really deciding on national policy.
I like the idea of an upper house with delaying powers. The lower House retains the power to do what it wants eventually. This should allow an functioning upper house. However, the politicians in the Dail aren't willing to allow the Seanad be independent so that it can exercise even that level of power.
I still have not heard a convincing argument for a second chamber nor why we should keep the Seanad. It appears to be a reflex reaction among some that because Kenny suggested abolishing it, it must be defended. I remember when the PD's suggested abolishing it, I thought it was a good idea then, despite the source of the suggestion.
If engineers were wrong as often as economists, would anyone fly aeroplanes?
Shift all the powers of the current Dáil to the Seanad, reform the way representatives are elected to it (which is currently being considered in any case). The current Dáil can still debate laws and present them to the upper house but the removal or reduction (in theory - and tongue firmly in cheek in relation to Irish culture) of local bias on national legislation would be removed so the need for a "delaying" mechanism will be moot.
If we could only pay the TDs the same amount counselors get ...
The truthiness will set you free! - Stephen Colbert.
Amazing. EK announces Seanad reform. And guess what? Radio FF 1 find who to interview? Dempsey, One of the lightweights who sat around the cabinet table for the past 12 years reforming NOTHING.
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Indeed! Councillors are also part of the group in the public service that don't necessarily have to provide vouched expense claims either though aren't they? - some probably doing just fine on that system! It wasn't that long ago (2003) when many of the TDs and councillors were one and the same person due to the dual mandate - it seems to me we are a nation with a tricameral system and focussed on reform between the two upper houses when in fact the operational inefficiency exists between the local and Dáil systems.
Doesn't Enda Kenny also claim the accomodation allowance even though the taxpapyer has already bought and paid for his Dublin residence.
Abolishing the Seanad is just a publicity stunt - probably a needed one but as usual FG shoots itself in the foot by avoiding addressing the issue people actually want FG to address ie expenses and public service reform at the ensior level.
Expand please, even the Taoiseach doesn't have a free house.
If engineers were wrong as often as economists, would anyone fly aeroplanes?
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