Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 27
Like Tree8Likes

Thread: Government considering another go at Oireachtas Inquiry Referendum: Examiner

  1. #1
    Politics.ie Regular gijoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    5,807

    Government considering another go at Oireachtas Inquiry Referendum: Examiner

    Well we do have a record of doing what we are told the 2nd time round having been appropriately chastised. The government are considering having another go with a revised wording. They could run it with the Seanad Referendum I suppose.
    Government to revisit failed referendum on inquiries | Irish Examiner

  2. #2
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Swords
    Posts
    1,645

    Not much wrong with a rerun this time. If they rebalance the wording of the 4th subclause to address civil liberties fears then a majority would probably support it.

    Not the same thing as rerunning with the same content in a different context. Sure that would never work...

  3. #3
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    8,808

    Which is fine, as all of us who called for a no vote previously stated, we're quite happy to vote yes if you give us an appropriate wording.
    Libero, Toland, Mushroom and 2 others like this.

  4. #4
    Politics.ie Regular RobertW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    5,302

    Voting 'no' to this referendum was an act of stupidity.

    There are many who have a vested interest in the Dáil having little investigative powers and who would be more than delighted with, say, a new tribunal set up with all the nice expenses that would involve.

    It seems the Irish are prepared to say "No" on anything . . just to "show da gubberment what I thinkada cuts"

  5. #5
    Politics.ie Regular Toland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Foreign, for my mental as well as material well-being
    Posts
    27,524

    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    Well we do have a record of doing what we are told the 2nd time round having been appropriately chastised. The government are considering having another go with a revised wording. They could run it with the Seanad Referendum I suppose.
    Government to revisit failed referendum on inquiries | Irish Examiner
    What part of "revised wording" do you not understand?

    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



    To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

  6. #6
    Politics.ie Regular Rocky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    11,766

    Supposedly the groups who opposed it just disagreed with the wording, rather than the idea, so it does makes sense. It'd be very interesting to see the reaction of the legal profession and the Civil Liberties group to a different wording though.
    "Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."

  7. #7
    Politics.ie Regular cricket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    3,788

    I voted no the last time because of what I saw as inadequate precautions against abuse of procedure. If these concerns were addressed , I think I'd vote yes because the principle involved is a good one. However, I think the government would be mad to have another go. It would simply be turned into a referendum on cuts in all sorts of areas. It would be far more important to make sure that the childrens's referendum is passed.
    Is ait an mac an saol.

  8. #8
    Politics.ie Regular RobertW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    5,302

    Quote Originally Posted by cricket View Post
    I think I'd vote yes because the principle involved is a good one. However, I think the government would be mad to have another go.
    Bertie, Seanie Fitz, David Drumm, Cowen, Willie McAteer, Neary and "co-workers" would be in agreement totally with you there.

  9. #9
    Politics.ie Regular
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    8,808

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    Supposedly the groups who opposed it just disagreed with the wording, rather than the idea, so it does makes sense. It'd be very interesting to see the reaction of the legal profession and the Civil Liberties group to a different wording though.
    Why would they disagree? I understand that many here (not your good self Rocky!) like to concoct ulterior motives, brewed in dark rooms behind closed doors, for almost all situations. However, there is no real reason why the professions and civil liberties groups would oppose an appropriate wording. The reality is the Tribunals are gone and not coming back, everybody knows this. A further reality is that nobody in their right mind will go before one of these hearings without legal advice so it doesn't put anybody out of a job in any case.

  10. #10
    Politics.ie Regular Rocky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    11,766

    Quote Originally Posted by johnfás View Post
    Why would they disagree? I understand that many here (not your good self Rocky!) like to concoct ulterior motives, brewed in dark rooms behind closed doors, for almost all situations. However, there is no real reason why the professions and civil liberties groups would oppose an appropriate wording. The reality is the Tribunals are gone and not coming back, everybody knows this. A further reality is that nobody in their right mind will go before one of these hearings without legal advice so it doesn't put anybody out of a job in any case.
    I don't know and it would be impossible to know without seeing the wording, but I would have a level of cynicism. More so with the Civil Liberties group than the Attorneys Generals to be fair. It could turn out to be risky strategy for the government as well, as the next wording may also have flaws in it and it may actually transpire that it is impossible to have a wording that doesn't. I think it would be worthwhile to look at it though and maybe even for the AG to sit down and discuss the matter with a wider group of people.
    "Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast