Should Britian Express Regret for her Crimes in Ireland

[Jimmy Sands]

One of the core principle of Irish Republicanism is the advancement of socialism in this nation of ours!

National Socialism in other words.

[merle haggard]

the thread is about British crimes in Ireland . Many horrendous crimes have been committed by them right up to this day

[zakalwe]

merle,

get a grip. the famine was a tragedy, one that our nation remembers and is why we give so generously to alleviate other famines.

no one is denying that. but to blame the english for the potato famine is crazy. to blame the english for the lack of trees in ireland is crazy (as is calling trees a "cash crop"). next they'll be to blame for the traffic on the M50 and the price of property.

the irish have been capable and proved willing to carry out horrendous crimes as well. was the murder of jean mccolville not a horrendous crime, and what about gerry mccabe. hell, even the phoenix park murders were horrendous crimes.

[FTA69]

but to blame the english for the potato famine is crazy

So the brits create a scenario where Irish farmland is controlled by British landlords, peasants hold tiny, unsustainable farms as a result of British laws and these same landlords then export Irish food to Britain; and its not their fault???

to blame the english for the lack of trees in ireland is crazy

Ireland went from being one of Europe's most forested nations to the least forested nation under British rule. Merle is in fact correct when he states the fact that the Brits deforested this country.

the irish have been capable and proved willing to carry out horrendous crimes as well.

And how does that excuse the British role in creating and exacerbating the Famine? I don't recall the Irish ever presiding over a Famine which killed more than a million people.

[Henry-Joy]

National Socialism in other words.[/quote] Jimmy Sands

There's no way a true Irish Republican could possibly be a FACSIST chara - simply impossible.

btw, the other core principles of Irish Republicanism are secularism, anti-sectarianism and nationalism.

In other words chara, there are many different parts to actual Irish Republicanism 8)

Maybe F/G could give U a few lessons about Facsism!

[merle haggard]

get a grip. the famine was a tragedy, one that our nation remembers and is why we give so generously to alleviate other famines.

it was neither a tragedy nor a famine it was a deliberate policy of extermination . There was no shortage of food in Ireland whatsoever, the English simply took it all out of the country at gunpoint and threw millions of people out of their homes at gun point to die of starvation and also destroyed their homes quite deliberately as a matter of policy. And they threatened to throw millions more out of their homes at gunpoint and destroy their homes too if they so much as lifted a finger to feed or shelter those whose homes theyd deliberately destroyed as a matter of official policy . This was deliberate policy and the British governemnt was fully aware of what it effects would be . They were well aware that mass starvation and the plethora of fatal diseases which accompany it would have a cataclysmic effect upon the population . And it unsurprisingly did just that . And whats more they cheered about it in their newspapers .

but to blame the english for the potato famine is crazy.


nobody is blaming them for potato blight . They are being blamed for taking away all the food in the country at gunpoint and militarily enforcing deliberate homelessness and starvation that wiped out half the countrys population in about 5 years

to blame the english for the lack of trees in ireland is crazy (as is calling trees a "cash crop").

A cash crop is something that grows out of the ground that you can harvest for money . England harvested Irelands forests throughout a period were wood was an essential commodity for fuel and building materials and made a lot of money out of it . Its adventurers and mercenaries made their fortunes out of it .

next they'll be to blame for the traffic on the M50 and the price of property.

im tempted to blame them for your utter stupidity

the irish have been capable and proved willing to carry out horrendous crimes as well. was the murder of jean mccolville not a horrendous crime, and what about gerry mccabe. hell, even the phoenix park murders were horrendous crimes

its not a popularity contest , Its about crimes against humanity . As regards the Phoenix park killings we can assume the war reparations paid to England by Ireland in 1922 covered that one .

[pogo]

it was neither a tragedy nor a famine it was a deliberate policy of extermination . There was no shortage of food in Ireland whatsoever, the English simply took it all out of the country at gunpoint and threw millions of people out of their homes at gun point to die of starvation and also destroyed their homes quite deliberately as a matter of policy. And they threatened to throw millions more out of their homes at gunpoint and destroy their homes too if they so much as lifted a finger to feed or shelter those whose homes theyd deliberately destroyed as a matter of official policy . This was deliberate policy and the British governemnt was fully aware of what it effects would be . They were well aware that mass starvation and the plethora of fatal diseases which accompany it would have a cataclysmic effect upon the population . And it unsurprisingly did just that . And whats more they cheered about it in their newspapers .

So your position is that Britain deliberately killed millions of Irish people from motives of pure spite.

Why would Britain want to do this :

[pogo]

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[merle haggard]

So your position is that Britain deliberately killed millions of Irish people from motives of pure spite.

Why would Britain want to do this :

i never once claimed it was done out of spite although ive no doubt there was an element of racism involved . After all a civilised country wouldnt do something so horrible to people you regarded as proper human beings .
It was done because cattle and sheep inhabiting the landlords estates were a lot more profitable to the British upper class than Irish peasants . And to eliminate any military threat from a country of about 11 million mostly pissed off paddies with very little to lose that if left unchecked for another 15 or 20 years would become totally unmanageable . Less than 5 million timid and cowed paddies fearful of the landlords , lawyers , writs and policemen were a much easier prospect to deal with . Quite a successful policy . It was military , economic and political commonsense and not spite . Thats why it was done by military , economic and fully legal means as always , concerted at every level . Not remotely as a result of some madmans spite

[Catalpa]

Given the recent agreement at St. Andrews, do U think the British Government should apologise for her crimes in Ireland

An apology isn't enough, you snivelling West Brit.

Clearly there is a need for reparations. I call on HM Treasury to form a working group to study ways to raise compensation funds. Sacrifices must be made, particularly in the areas of schools, hospitals and poverty relief. Justice demands it. And the Inland Revenue will need to get working - let's call them green taxes.
We'll take payment in kind as well. Irish property developers are just waiting to build tasteful, sustainable and soundly-constructed homes, like back in Ireland. It will not stop there. We will put 'Prince' Charles to work picking leaves off the Liffey boardwalk. We will remove the royal corgis to Dublin Zoo and feed them to the polar bears. Our Fenian dead demand it, as do the polar bears.

There is also a need for re-education. Following a year off to allow sufficient time for training, the cream of the Irish republican intelligentsia must be packed off to England to teach them the truth about history. It will be drilled into their heads in an effort jointly sponsored by Easons and Black and Decker.
Recruitment though may not be easy. Some of the most enlightened and articulate republicans are also committed to other progressive causes. Brigadier Bogwarrior of the Order of the Armchair is busy on the anti-gay front, where he is joined in his battlefield tent by Marshall Merle Haggard. Meanwhile, Comrade Catalpa continues the brave struggle against immigrants. Perhaps he can work on in this area by combining lessons on English brutality with sermons on how immigrants are lazy, useless alcoholics who never leave their home country and backward culture behind them. His workload can be relieved by hiring speakers from the Irish community in England.

And we'll kill the Queen, who under normal principles of law and morality is 100% responsible for the actions of people centuries ago who weren't even related to her. Admit it: we'd like nothing better than a pro-forma apology in that ridiculous accent and a flat tone of voice that couldn't be more insincere if she was rolling her eyes to heaven at the same time. Yes, we'll be the first people ever to chop the head of an English monarch. And we'll get rid of that statue of Oliver Cromwell and replace it with one of Ruairi Ó Brádaigh, who isn't a joyless puritan wreck at all at all.

THEN, and only then will the English be in a fit state to apologise. This will be done in a big book made out of the donated skin of repentant British soldiers, with exhaustative apologies written in peoples' own blood. In Irish.

And that's not all. Having achieved all these successes, Irish republicanism will turn to the ultimate prize of all: the next round of talks in Stormont.

We will remove the royal corgis to Dublin Zoo and feed them to the polar bears :twisted: